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Q: volkswagen van repair ( Answered 4 out of 5 stars,   5 Comments )
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Subject: volkswagen van repair
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: zula17-ga
List Price: $2.00
Posted: 17 May 2003 12:21 PDT
Expires: 16 Jun 2003 12:21 PDT
Question ID: 205132
any tips on getting an 82 vw westphalia (2.0 litre air-cooled engine)
to start in cold weather.  i heard that installnig a block heater is
not possible. is this true?
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Subject: Re: volkswagen van repair
Answered By: hummer-ga on 17 May 2003 14:05 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Hi zula17,

You are right, a block heater isn't suitable for an air-cooled engine
because a block heater warms up the water in a water-cooled engine. 
However, there are a number of things you can do to help your car
start in the winter (aside from keeping it in a heated garage!).

1. Make sure your car is in tip-top running condition before the onset
of cold weather. In other words, have a reputable mechanic give the
car a good
tune-up, making sure it is timed correctly. Also, make sure the choke
is operating correctly, check the spark plugs, make sure the starter
is in good shape and check your battery.

2. Change your oil and put in 10-40W (or even 5-50W) for winter
conditions.

3. If you can keep your battery warm - great. If you go out seldom,
keep the battery in the house with you (really!) or, buy a battery
warmer (an electric blanket for your battery!).

4. Instead of heating water, you want to heat your oil. You can buy a
dipstick heater although a heater that attaches to the oil pan under
the car might work better (following are examples of each and are not
meant as "best buys").

ENGINE OIL HEATER:
http://www.janyce.com/+wolver/heat.html

DIPSTICK HEATER:
http://www.accessory-finder.com/cp/all/flexible-dipstick-engine-oil-heater.asp

A lower tech method is to make a heater yourself using a light bulb.
Cut a hole in the bottom of a bowl and run your electric cord into the
bowl through the hole. Attach your light bulb to the cord so that the
lightbulb is now inside the bowl. Place the bowl under the oil pan,
putting a  booster (bricks?) under it so it can be up close to the oil
pan. Turn on the bulb and it should warm up your oil enough to help to
start the car.

5. Investigate putting a relay in the starting circuit at the starter
- this lessens the resistance of the long wiring run in a Type 2.

Links:

Type2.com:
http://www.type2.com/

Specialists in VW bus parts (browse only, no search function):

Bus Depot
http://www.busdepot.com/

Bus Boys
http://www.bus-boys.com/home.htm

Book:
Muir, John
How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive
You'll find used copies available for sale on
http://www.bookfinder.com
http://www.abebooks.com
This book is a "classic" and every VW owner should keep a copy in
their car at all times. There are many editions - make sure you get
one that covers your car.

I hope this helps. If you have any questions, please post a
clarification request before rating my answer.

Thank you and Good Luck,
hummer

Google search terms:

"dipstick heaters"
"oil pan heater" vw

The rest we know from personal experience.

Clarification of Answer by hummer-ga on 18 May 2003 11:04 PDT
Hi zula17,

in re: "make sure the choke is operating correctly"

The VW "2000" engine (Type2, 1979-1982) doesn't have a "choke", per se. It
has a Bosch "Air Flow Controlled" (AFC) electronic Fuel Injection (FI)
system that uses other means to acheive the same end: enrichment of the
fuel/air mix at start-up and system controls special to the warm-up.

The AFC 'gas pedal' is really an 'air pedal' - it controls the amount of
air let into the system. This amount is measured and the electronic info
sent to the master control unit ('the brain'), which tells the other parts
of the fuel system what to do in accordance with your foot's command.

The system at start-up is self-regulatory - a real control freak. When
everything is working as it should, it knows better than you do what it
needs to get going and doesn't tolerate human interference well. If you
'give er the gas', you'll disrupt its operation - flood it with air, so to
speak. It's another story once you've 'acheived ignition' and become an
operating part of the system.

Some parts of the 'AFC knows best' start-up / warm-up system to check for
proper function:
- "cold-start valve" (aka, '5th injector'), controlled by a "thermo-time
switch".
- "auxilliary air regulator".
- "temperature sensor 1" and "stator flap" in the "intake air sensor" (part
of the 'air box' where the air filter goes).

All this is not to say that the FI system is causing your hard starts in
winter - just one of many a place to look. As it is said: "there are simple
questions but no simple answers".
The VW system is pretty sophisticated and holistic - it works best when
every part is working well but, as in life or in 20 year-old VWs, one or a
bunch of small things can not be working at their best yet not cause too
much trouble when things are Sweet (balmy weather, flat roads, modest
speeds, etc). When things get Sour (too cold or too hot, mountains, high
speeds, etc), small things add up and troubles seem to come in bunches. For
example: points, gap and dwell, timing, plugs, filters, oil, vacuum leaks -
all fairly straightforward to check and relatively inexpensive parts or
adjustments. They may not cause much trouble in Summer...but will in Winter
when your car is 'stressed' - when everything needs to be tip-top. Check
the simple, easy (and inexpensive) things first: many's the problem solved
with regular maintenance and/or patient and informed observation - whether
by the do-it-yourselfer or the trained mechanic. Still plenty of time
before next winter to work your way up to the horribly complex (and
expensive) things.

If you insist on driving an older air-cooled (and I do understand), I
strongly recommend a good maintenance and repair manual approprate to your
model and year. The Muir "Idiot Book" series is a good place to start, but
many owners also have a Haynes series manual and/or, better yet, a Bentley
series "Volkswagen Official Service Manual".  Even if you never crack a nut
or bust a knuckle, at least you'll better understand what the heck your VW
air-cooled mechanic is trying to tell you. At the very least, you'll
discover all the things you should have been doing all this time but
haven't been (ask how I know!).

Also, the VW newsgroups / lists / forums are good places to live and learn
and some are specific to air-cooled Buses, Vana-goners, etc. There are
often "archives" or "faqs" to search through and how-to & technical info to
browse. They're generally a rabble of rabid but helpful folks to listen to
and talk with.

Just some VW thoughts on a gorgeous day, perfect for touring in a Westfalia.
hummer
zula17-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
thanks for the quick reply.  i don't think the battery is the problem,
it seems to turn over until the cows come home. i will try new plugs
and wires, and perhaps a distributor cap (ugh $$$).  the lightbulb
idea is great, i will try that next winter. i was actually toying with
the idea of lighting a small fire under the van!

Comments  
Subject: Re: volkswagen van repair
From: magnesium-ga on 17 May 2003 14:54 PDT
 
This looks to me like a five-star answer, particularly considering the
minuscule price. Very well done, hummer!
Subject: Re: volkswagen van repair
From: zula17-ga on 17 May 2003 15:59 PDT
 
I agree that the answer was very good, as this is the first guestion I
have asked I may have rated or priced it incorrectly. Thanks again for
the speedy and informative answer!
Subject: Re: volkswagen van repair
From: hummer-ga on 17 May 2003 16:46 PDT
 
Dear zulu17,

Thank you for your thank you, I appreciate it. In response to your
comment about wires, plugs and cap, I'd like to add that if you find
someone to give your car a good tune-up (#1 in my answer), all of the
items you mentioned (and more) will be checked and replaced as needed.

Good luck with the lightbulb (a 25 or 40 W should be fine).

Sincerely,
hummer
Subject: Re: volkswagen van repair
From: hummer-ga on 17 May 2003 16:53 PDT
 
Thank you, Magnesium.  

Take care, 
hummer
Subject: Re: volkswagen van repair
From: pugwashjw-ga on 30 May 2003 10:40 PDT
 
First thing...suspect your fuel quality. bung into your fuel tank a
product called "FUEL SET". Or a similar acting product. It keeps the
whole fuel system clean and promotes good starts. Then you can start
spending on plugs points and leads. It will work. Happy motoring.

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