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Subject: Lowering pH with muriatic acid
Category: Science > Chemistry
Asked by: knowitall22-ga
List Price: $4.00
Posted: 20 May 2003 08:53 PDT
Expires: 19 Jun 2003 08:53 PDT
Question ID: 206355
How many milliliters of commercial muriatic acid (20 Baume) are
required to adjust the pH of 1000 milliliters of aqueous sodium
hydroxide solution at 8 pH
to respectively, 7 pH and 6 pH?
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Subject: Re: Lowering pH with muriatic acid
Answered By: azathoth-ga on 20 May 2003 10:07 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Greetings knowitall22,

Thank you for your question!  Although I've taught chemistry, I
managed to learn a few things.  At first, I had no clue (or have
forgotten) what muriatic acid was, or what '20 Baume' might be, but as
usual Google was able to help.

Muriatic acid is a traditional name for hydrochloric acid (HCl)
http://webserver.lemoyne.edu/faculty/giunta/archemm.html

Baume is a method of measuring the specific gravity, or density, of a
chemical:
http://www.potters.org/subject23952.htm

The given formula yields a value of the specific gravity of
145/(145-20) = 1.16
So a mL of the solution has a mass of 1.16g

Information on commercial preparations of 20 Baume muriatic acid shows
that the percentage of HCl in the solution (by weight) is 31%:
http://www.potters.org/subject34114.htm

Thus to translate the information into something I'm a bit more
familiar with, we want to know what quantity of a 31% solution of HCl
will neutralize 1000 mL of NaOH at a ph of 8.
-------------------------------

HCl and NaOH are respectively a strong acid and a strong base.  Thus,
they both completely dissociate into ions in solution, making the
calculation much easier.  A pH of 8 means that the pOH is 6 (since pH
+ pOH = 14)

The molar concentration of hydroxide ions [OH-] is given by 10^-pOH =
1 * 10^-6 M.

In 1000 mL (one liter) of this solution, there are 1 * 10^-6 moles of
[OH-] ions.  To neutralize them [i.e. bring the pH to 7] we would need
to add the same amount of H+ ions, which will come from the
hydrochloric (muriatic) acid.  Using what we know of the muriatic acid
solution, we can figure out the necessary volume to add in a chemistry
calculation with lots of factors to be multiplied:

1 * 10^-6 moles H+ * 1 mole HCl/1 mole H+ * 36.5 g HCl/mol HCl *

* 100g solution/31g HCl * 1mL solution/1.16g solution

The last two conversions come from the weight percentage of the acid
and its specific gravity.  All the units cancel out except for mL of
solution, giving the result: 1.02 * 10^-4 mL

Not much, but the solution was already close to neutral, and the acid
is quite strong.
------------
To change the pH to 6, we would need to bring the [H+] concentration
to 1 * 10^-6 M, so we would need twice as much.  The first 10^-6
neutralizes the base up to pH 7, the second 10^-6 brings the pH up to
pH 6.
To go from the original solution to pH 6 would require 2.03 * 10^-4 mL

[There are some subtleties here as well, due to the fact that there is
always an equilibrium between H+ and OH- in solution.  You can't just
'get rid of' all of the 10^-6 of OH- by adding the same amount of H+. 
However, the error introduced by my simplifying assumption is only
about 1%, I believe.  The uncertainty of some of the other known
quantities, such as the specific gravity and weight percentage of the
muriatic acid are of the same size, so the assumption should not
affect the accuracy of the answer.
Also, after adding the acid, the volume is no longer exactly 1000 mL,
but the difference is so tiny that again it will have no effect on the
answer.]

Other sites:
http://faculty.washington.edu/varani/chem-162-website/Lecture_14_gv.pdf

This lecture discusses many of the topics covered in this answer. 
Note particularly the section on Strong Acid-Strong Base titrations
Qualitative.  In the discussion of equivalence, the pH becomes 7 when
the same amount of acid and base are added together.  Note also how
steep that curve is in the graph near ph=7.  It illustrates why your
calculation requires so little acid to change the pH from 8 to 7 or 6.
 Near 7, small amounts of acid can have large effects on pH.

http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/101/acidbase/faq.shtml

This FAQ offers a great deal of information on acids and bases.  The
encapsulating site has excellent resources for all aspects of
chemistry.

Search strategies used:
muriatic acid
baume specific gravity
"20 Baume" muriatic
neutralization acid calculation strong
"online chemistry text"


I hope my response has answered your question without either
mystifying you or boring you with things you are already familiar
with.  Let me know if I can make anything in my answer clearer for
you.

Best Regards,

  --Azathoth

Request for Answer Clarification by knowitall22-ga on 20 May 2003 11:10 PDT
azatoth-ga: Could you restate the ml of muriatic acid needed to reach
pH of 7 and 6 as decimal fractions? Your calculations seem incredibly
small as I understand them.
Thanx, knowitall22-ga

Clarification of Answer by azathoth-ga on 20 May 2003 12:49 PDT
1.02 * 10^-4 mL = .000102 mL

2.03 * 10^-4 mL = .000203 mL

Yes, the numbers do seem ridiculously small!  However, I believe they
are correct.  The muriatic acid is very strong.  With a specific
gravity of 1.16, a liter has a mass of 1160 grams, of which 31% (360
g) is HCl.  This is about ten moles, so the acid is roughly 10 molar
in concentration.
To neutralize the base, we only need to add a millionth of a mole
(10^-6 moles).  If each liter has ten moles of HCl, then we only need
to add one ten-millionth of a liter, or one ten-thousandth of a mL ~
.0001 mL

Regards,

  --Azathoth
knowitall22-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
azatoth: Thanks for your help. I was hoping for a simple answer to a
complex question, which I couldn't state precisely. (By the way, I am
a chemist) My problem is: I have an outdoor pond of 1500 gallons at a
pH of 8 to 8.5. It is highly buffered, and I cannot precisely give the
degree of buffering. I would like to achieve neutrality by addition of
HCl and was hoping to get a ballpark figure from my question. I know
the titration curve is steep near neutrality.
 I will have to bite the bullet and have my pond water titrated. I am
retired and can't do it on the job. Thanks for your research.
knowitall22

Comments  
Subject: Re: Lowering pH with muriatic acid
From: neilzero-ga on 21 May 2003 03:45 PDT
 
I took a course in pool chemistry, and I am skeptical about the value
of buffering (usually baking soda = sodium bicarbonate). With
negligible buffering one ml of muriatic acid would lower the ph from 8
to 7 for the whole 1500 gallons.
Dump in a few ml and stir a bit. Test the ph near the bottom where you
added the acid. If the ph did not change detectably try a 1/2 cup of
acid, stir and test. You will probably need more acid, but if you are
close to the optimum ph, stir some more and test in multiple spots the
next day to avoid over shooting optimum. If you over shoot the
optimum, add a cup of ammonia = NH4OH (3%?) or a 1/2 ounce of sodium
hydroxide dissolved in any amount of water. Calcium oxide or calcium
hydroxide will raise the ph but it makes the water a bit cloudy. The
chlorine you put in your pond raises the ph if you use bleach = sodium
hyprochlorite, so I use a neutral ph sanitizer when, and if, my ph is
above optimum. 7.4ph is best for eyeballs if you swim in your pond.
About 6.5 makes the sanitizer more effective and discourages algae
growth. Best for the fish depends on the kind of fish and other plants
and critters.   Neil
Subject: Re: Lowering pH with muriatic acid
From: knowitall22-ga on 21 May 2003 08:09 PDT
 
Hi neilzero-ga: Thanks for your comment. My question was phrased in a
way that would allow me to calculate an addition to a 1500 gallon pond
(with fish and plants). For instance, if it takes one cc of muriatic
acid to get to the desired pH in 1000 cc, I would add one & one half
gallons of acid. Over the past two years I have added more than one
gallon of muriatic acid (31% hydrochloric acid content) in very
gradual increments yet the pH remains alkaline. When I say my pond is
buffered it is because it has a rock and gravel bottom layer. I
suspect this neutralizes any acid I add, so I may never get to where I
want to be, a pH near 7. Yet I understand that concrete swimming pools
can be adjusted to a neutral pH even though concrete is highly
alkaline.
  I hesitate to spend big bucks on a pH meter or repeated lab tests.
pH test papers are not very precise. Since the fish (koi) seem healthy
and happy, one may ask: Why bother? I can't answer that, other than in
Japan, where koi are an expensive hobby, the water is slightly acid
which produces better coloration of the fish. Possibly I am slightly
goofy.
Regards, knowitall22
Subject: Re: Lowering pH with muriatic acid
From: azathoth-ga on 22 May 2003 15:17 PDT
 
Greetings again knowitall22,

I actually did dig up information specifically about pools, but I
didn't think it was relevant (!) because of the way you phrased your
original question.  Here is perhaps the most useful site for your
particular situation:
http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm

The table for lowering pH suggests that 1500 gallons at a pH of 8.4
would require 4.5 fluid oz. of muriatic acid.  All the quantities
mentioned in poolcare situations are a couple orders of magnitude
larger than my original answer would suggest.  I figured that was
because of the buffering effect of other ions and that's why the
information didn't seem relevant to your question.  I hope this extra
information helps you with your actual problem.

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