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Grammar Question: Them or They?
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: koliver-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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20 May 2003 14:03 PDT
Expires: 19 Jun 2003 14:03 PDT Question ID: 206485 |
When referring to a group of people or things, is it correct to say "That is they" or That is them"? For example, I am waiting for my parents to pick me up at the mall. I see their car pulling up and say "That is them". I ask since the people or things would be the subject of the sentence, which could mean that it is correct to use "they" rather than "them" (e.g., it is correct to say "It is I" rather than "It is me".) |
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Re: Grammar Question: Them or They?
Answered By: synarchy-ga on 20 May 2003 14:32 PDT Rated: |
Hello - I think that whilst the most common of the two phrases would be "that is them" that is technically incorrect as this sort of sentence requires the nominative rather than the objective case for the noun, such that "that this they" is proper. Dictionary.com lists the informal usage of them, as in "it's them" which would suggest "that is them" http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=them However, it also notes that formal English grammer requires the nominative form of the pronoun in the predicate of the verb be: so that the proper grammer would be "that is they". However, it is also noted that this rule is rarely followed by most speakers of the language. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=be The Grammer Slammer also agrees that "it is they" is proper, although rarely followed (section heading Pronouns in the Predicate Nominative) http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000021.htm Another grammer site suggests the proper pronomial use would be "that is they": http://www.engl.niu.edu/dhardy/grammarbook/program6/index.html Please feel free to ask if you have further questions. synarchy Google: "it is them" grammer |
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Re: Grammar Question: Them or They?
From: pugwashjw-ga on 21 May 2003 07:13 PDT |
Hi Koliver-ga.. The correct way is to say " There they are" . Any other arrangement is not valid. Or " they are here". Or " here they come". I am not sure where you live, but I suspect its the good old U.S. OF A. I`M SORRY, BUT THE YANKS REALLY DO BUTCHER THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. |
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Re: Grammar Question: Them or They?
From: uriel-ga on 21 May 2003 08:30 PDT |
Actually, the verb "to be" does not always require the nominative case. The appropriate rule is that, as a copulative verb, "to be" should link two noun phrases of the same case, be it nominative or accusative. Hence: "I believe that he is I"; but also: "I believe him to be me". This still implies that one should say "it is they" - just as one says "who are they?" and "it is they who are at fault". In practice, however, this is often viewed as over-correct. I'd recommend sticking to "it's them"... Source: http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxitsmev.html |
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Re: Grammar Question: Them or They?
From: synarchy-ga on 21 May 2003 17:32 PDT |
Pugwashjw-ga, I note several grammatical errors in your comment - several sentence fragments, one unclear participle, and one incorrect conjunction (it's not its)... Were these merely learning points from an esteemed British grammatician? |
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Re: Grammar Question: Them or They?
From: intotravel-ga on 23 May 2003 11:06 PDT |
Wow! I never heard of a "copulative verb" before. Thank you, uriel-ga. But as for synarchy-ga's reference to a "grammatician", would that be something like a mortician for grammar? (Just kidding!) |
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