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Subject:
Waterfall Mist
Category: Science > Earth Sciences Asked by: redzinonly-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
23 May 2003 11:03 PDT
Expires: 22 Jun 2003 11:03 PDT Question ID: 207789 |
On a recent trip to Niagara Falls we noticed that the pool below had a rising mist or haze above it. We were told that this is always the case. Later, we learned that all waterfalls exhibit this. The mist apparently consists of droplets of water (like fog or steam). We would like to know how the energy of the dropping water produces it and what causes it to rise. An answer should trace the contributions made by (and relationships among) heating, changes in vapor pressure, condensation, mechanical "splashing," and so forth. How these are influenced by the height of the falls, the ambient termperature and humidity, and possibly other relevant variables are also of interest. The more quantitative the result, the better. | |
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Subject:
Re: Waterfall Mist
From: richard-ga on 23 May 2003 11:37 PDT |
The phenomena you describe are powered by the conversion of potential energy to heat as the water falls: "In 1847, when [James] Joule married Amelia Grimes, he took a large thermometer on their honeymoon in order to check the temperature of water falling down the face of waterfalls--he was looking for a temperature change as an indication of the presence of kinetic energy--and there is a wonderful photo of Amelia, sitting in a carriage with a parasol, while James is checking the waterfall. One wonders what she thought!" http://america3.pcs.cnu.edu/~gwebb/103_l12.joule.htm |
Subject:
Re: Waterfall Mist
From: racecar-ga on 28 May 2003 22:58 PDT |
I like this question. I don't know the answer, but here are some thoughts: The increase in temperature may be important for other reasons, but I don't think it is enough to create unstable conditions just by the thermal expansion of the air. Take a waterfall 40m high. Each kg of water that falls loses 400 J of potential energy. Some of that goes into kinetic energy on a macroscopic scale, but most gets converted to thermal energy. So the increase in temperature could be as much as almost 0.1 degree C. (heat capacity (cp) is about 4200 J/kg/deg). But the atmosphere only becomes unstable when the rate of decrease of temperature with height is greater than the adiabatic lapse rate (that is, when the potential temperature decreases with height). The adiabatic lapse rate is g/cp, and over 40m, it amounts to a difference of about 0.1 degree. Presumably, the water was in thermal equilibrium with the air at the top of the falls. So the falling water may just be able to create neutrally stable conditions, but not unstable ones. It may be that the slight increase in temperature raises the vapor pressure of the water, and that the relative lightness of water vapor is important. But vapor pressure of water only increases by about 1% for a temperature increase of 0.1 deg (from the Clausius-Clapeyron equation). Water vapor makes up at most a few percent of the air, so a 1 percent change in something that's already a small fraction of the total seems negligible. Especially because the difference in density is not drastic: a water molecule weighs about 2/3 of what air weighs per molecule on average. Could it be just that the moving water creates turbulence in the air, which carries the mist upward from its generation point at the bottom? |
Subject:
Re: Waterfall Mist
From: tisme-ga on 28 May 2003 23:12 PDT |
DISCLAIMER: This is an unprofessional, half-educated guess from someone who has only very limited knowledge (but a great interest) in this subject. I do hope that you are able to find a documented answer for this using Google Answers! Even at low temperatures, water is evaporating (also below room temperature). The water-water hydrgen bonds (being unstable) and constantly reforming is partially what makes water polar. The two hydrogen atoms in H20 have electrons that are whizzing by at fast speeds and even when water is sitting at room temperature, and below, it will slowly evaporate because the fast (warmer=faster) molecules "whiz" into the air leaving (escaping) the cooler molecules of water on the surface. Another property of water is that it tends to go where there is less water to where there is more water, so the droplets that have escaped in essence, PULL more water into the droplets (adhesion/cohesion - same as water being pulled up against gravity in a plant goes faster in dry conditions), while others are "splashed there" by the fast moving water. In addition, when water falls down a waterfall, the speed of the molecules moving is heightened so that more of them manage to escape and form water vapour, which returns to liquid form shortly, hence water droplets dropping. Wouldn't it be cool if this was at least partially right? :) tisme-ga |
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