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Q: Color copies stored on Microfilm/Microfiche ? ( Answered 1 out of 5 stars,   1 Comment )
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Subject: Color copies stored on Microfilm/Microfiche ?
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference
Asked by: skt1479-ga
List Price: $2.50
Posted: 27 May 2003 04:41 PDT
Expires: 26 Jun 2003 04:41 PDT
Question ID: 209272
Hello!

While doing research for my organization, I've often had to access
information stored on microfilms and microfiche and noticed that,
interestingly, almost all data that I reviewed was in B&W (black and
white).

I am interested in finding out if and from when microfilms/microfiches
were used to store and display information in color.

Thanks.
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Subject: Re: Color copies stored on Microfilm/Microfiche ?
Answered By: knowledge_seeker-ga on 27 May 2003 10:45 PDT
Rated:1 out of 5 stars
 
skt1479-ga,

Good observation!

As a general rule, there are no colored microforms that are
recommended for long-term archival storage of documents, so pretty
much anything you find in a library *should* be in black and white.

This website offers a nice overview of the history of microfiche and
microfilms, and a good explanation of why color is not used  –

"Polyester is the only film base currently recommended for
preservation microfilming. Both stable and durable, black-and-white
polyester film has a life expectancy of 500+ years under proper
storage conditions…"

"Though there are many potential applications for color microforms,
use of this technology cannot accurately be considered a preservation
strategy because the life expectancies of most 35mm color films fall
far short of preservation goals. Yet there is one (positive) color
transparency film, Ilfochrome, that is considered quite promising for
preservation…"

MICROFILM AND MICROFICHE
http://www.nedcc.org/plam3/tleaf51.htm

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OTHER SOURCES 
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Microfilm - A Brief History
http://www.heritagemicrofilm.com/default.asp?ContentID=7


LIBRARY PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION
http://www.librarypreservation.org/preservation/microform.htm


"There is no such product as color chromogenic microfilm and what they
use instead is cut motion-picture print film…."
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/1996/1188.html



So that should explain why you aren't seeing much (if anything) in
color – it just doesn't last…which is the whole point of micro
storage.

Thanks for your question,

-K~

search terms:

color microfiche
"history of microfilm"

Request for Answer Clarification by skt1479-ga on 29 May 2003 03:50 PDT
The information that you provided pretty much says that color
microfilm is not used for archival purposes - answering both the 'if'
and 'from when' parts of my question. Finding it difficult to belive
that libraries and other associations may never have used color media,
I ran a google search myself using the following keyword (fairly
simple one at that):

'color microfilm'

and interestingly came up with two web pages that offer a different
view:

'the Commission on Preservation and Access published a special report
entitled, "Research on the Use of Color Microfilm." This report
concluded that color microfilming is a viable preservation method.
Even at room temperature, it is possible to preserve master color film
as long as 100 years.'

http://www.oclc.org/oclc/promo/presres/9123.htm

and

(Lincoln Editor, Papers of Abraham Lincoln - that show color microfilm
being used)
http://www.oclc.org/oclc/promo/presres/9123.htm

The reason that I have been using this Google answers service is
because I have believed that comprehensive research is done before an
answer is presented - and not merely running one or two google queries
and basing an answer upon the same. While I don't mind paying this
small amount - I would like to know how Google justifies this
situation (presenting woefully inadequate information and thereby a
misleading answer).

Thanks.

Clarification of Answer by knowledge_seeker-ga on 29 May 2003 09:58 PDT
Hi again skt1479-ga,

In keeping within the pricing guidelines of your question, I didn't go
into a lot of detail in your answer.

GOOGLE ANSWERS PRICING GUIDELINES
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I'm sorry you misunderstood my answer to say that color microfilm is
NEVER USED. I meant for you to understand that, though it may be used,
it is NEVER RECOMMENDED for use as an archival medium and that its
uses in the past have had serious drawbacks.

I did indeed find and read the link you provided before posting my
answer. To quote what you quoted:

     "Even at room temperature, it is possible to preserve master
color film as long as 100 years."

The operative term is "100 years."   100 years is not archival for any
purposes. 300 years? Maybe. 500 years? Yes. But not 100.

Also, understand what is meant by "master film". This is not the
microfilm you are looking at when you go to the library. The master
film is the one hidden away in the dark climate-controlled archival
storage location. The one they make the library copies from. You can
be sure the copy you are looking at (whether black and white or color)
will not last 100 years.


Of course there ARE color microfilms of many documents – maps, color
plates, certain historical documents, but in those instances it is
acknowledged that the films are not "permanent" and that they will
have to be replaced as they deteriorate. And in most cases, there also
exists a black and white film of the document which is considered to
be the actual "archival" copy.

The two links you gave me were to the same site -- to an article on
Ilfords Cibachrome Microfilm. This product is now known as Ilfochrome
Classic.

ILFOCHROME CLASSIC
http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/ilfoclassic/Iclassic.html


If you go back and read the second paragraph I quoted from the first
reference I cited, you will see I addressed that product as a possible
contender for the use of color microfilm. Additionally, the link I
provided to the article: LIBRARY PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION states:

"Iflochrome, [sic] which may have a life of up to 500 years in the
absence of light, the testing is still incomplete, and color film
cannot be recognized as a preservation medium."

Prior to the advent of Ilfochrome, the best available color format for
microfilm was CHROMOGENIC  film or your basic "Kodachrome". This type
of film is what we know as everyday "color film" and has been in use
since Kodak developed it in 1935.

LIBRARY OF CONGRESS - Care, Handling, and Storage of Photographs
http://www.loc.gov/preserv/care/photolea.html


Although slightly outdated, the below research report gives and
excellent overview on how documents are archived.

" The first of these films was Eastman Kodak’s Kodachrome (1935),
followed closely by Agfa’s Agfacolor films in 1936 and Eastman Kodak’s
Ektachrome films in 1940. Today, all camera films, with the exception
of instant colour films, are based on chromogenic
development…"

THE PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF PHOTOGRAPHIC MATERIALS IN ARCHIVES
AND LIBRARIES : A RAMP STUDY WITH GUIDELINES
http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0005/000586/058641e.pdf


The chromogenic film used in the production of microfilm today is
normally motion picture transparency film. It gives the high
resolution needed to reproduce colors and details when the work is
reduced to microform. It is not however, a long-term solution to
archiving documents.

At this point, I feel I've addressed your further questions regarding
the use of color microfilms.

Now, since you have also questioned the issue of answer quality, I'll
take a second to comment on that point.  The key to a successful
answer here is to have researchers who can wade through the vast
volumes of information available online, and take from that the cogent
points that the questioner requires.

You are clearly a regular internet user so are aware that no matter
which side of an argument you want to take, you can find supporting
arguments online. The question is what is the "real" story? We both
know that there is also a lot of bad (or just plain wrong) information
out there. The keys of course are to a) qualify the sources and b)
discern the current state of the art (or state of the argument, as it
were).

For your $2.50 question I reviewed 53 websites (as logged in my
History Folder) over the course of approximately 1 hour 35 minutes. 
From those I got a very good sense of the state of the art of
microfilm technology. I then narrowed down those sites to about 10
sites that I felt were reliable and I read them in-depth. From those I
drew your answer. I cited the ones I thought explained the issue in
the simplest and clearest terms.


Had you posted, say a $15 or $20 question, I would have addressed both
sides of the debate (which really isn't a debate – the professionals
are in agreement) on the use of color film for microfiche in more
detail. For $40 or $50 I might have given you a brief history of the
use of microfilm and talked about the specific problems (and
successes) associated with the use of color and older style black and
white microfilms. For $75 or $100 I would given you the details on the
different types of microfilming techniques and explained when and why
the failures occur in each. Included would have been a discussion on
the many causes of film deterioration. And for more than $100 I would
have addressed the entire history of archiving documents in both color
and black and white, with a focus on the development of new
microfilming techniques as well as projections for the future trends
towards digital technology.

I trust however, that what I have provided fulfills your needs at the
price you offered.

-K~

Request for Answer Clarification by skt1479-ga on 10 Jun 2003 16:31 PDT
Dear journalist-ga :

Are you a fellow researcher of the person who answered this question?
I do not know if you can see this information - the fact that this
happens to be my tenth question in the last three and half months. I
am well aware of what to expect for the price that I had offered. By a
rule of thumb, if I expect the answer to my question to take to take
less than ten minutes (if I searched for the same myself)- I price it
for less than $5.00 (on my previous questions).

In fact, I do not even expect even a one line explanation to my
question for this price... past answers by Google researchers have
often given just pointers (mere URLs) but to the RIGHT and complete
information.

If you are going to give out information that is erroneously
incomplete for the reason that the amount quoted was meager...it would
then be a clarion call to all those people who price their question
below $5 to avoid this service altogether!! (which I'll be doing for I
have now lost my trust in this service)

Dear  knowledge_seeker-ga:

The second link that I had meant to provide was:
http://www.papersofabrahamlincoln.org/NewsletterPDFs/EDITOR03.PDF

I suggest that you really read the question well at the first instance
itself. My question was merely about 'storing' and 'displaying'
information and not for using "master films" for 'permanent' archival
purposes. For mere storing and displaying of information on color
microfilms the 'professionals are NOT in agreement' contrary to your
statement.

Further, I am pleasantly surprised that a Google "researcher" spent 1
hour 53 minutes wading through information for answers (and yet not
provide all relevant links) that an average Joe like me would have
found in ten minutes!!

It only goes to show that Google should stop using the term 'experts'
and probably come out with a tiered system (Grade I, II, III etc.) and
where users can choose which level researchers should answers their
question.

I sincerely apologize for having wasted your time for such a small
amount! but, thank you for enlightening me to stay away from this
service for good!!

Best Regards.
skt1479-ga rated this answer:1 out of 5 stars
Understand the question first!! and seek clarification if you don't!!
before wasting your and our time.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Color copies stored on Microfilm/Microfiche ?
From: journalist-ga on 29 May 2003 09:07 PDT
 
Greetings Skt1479:

I noticed your comment "The reason that I have been using this Google
answers service is because I have believed that comprehensive research
is done before an answer is presented - and not merely running one or
two google queries and basing an answer upon the same."  You may want
to visit the Google Answers pricing guide at
https://answers.google.com/answers/pricing.html where it is noted:

"Sample Questions at Various Price Points $2 - $5
Can be answered with a single link or a single piece of information.
Sometimes, if a researcher is personally interested in the question's
subject, they may provide a longer answer."

Knowledge Seeker has gone above and beyond a single link in this
instance so I thought you might want to consider examining the pricing
guide to gain better understanding of the various suggestions there.

Best regards,
journalist-ga

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