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Subject: How long to see a page rank?
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: michael2-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 28 May 2003 14:27 PDT
Expires: 27 Jun 2003 14:27 PDT
Question ID: 209948
Once a web site has been indexed by G.., how long does it take for the
site to be ranked?  My firm's site was updated about a month ago and
now shows a greyed-out Page Rank bar, with the message 'This page has
not been ranked ..'

How long does it take to get a new rank, and is there anything I can
do?

Request for Question Clarification by aceresearcher-ga on 28 May 2003 21:31 PDT
michael2,

Please bear in mind that Google Answers Researchers are independent
contractors and do not have any special "inside" information about how
the Googlebot works -- Google considers that information proprietary
and keeps it very secret.

It is not possible to tell you when -- or even if -- the Googlebot
will assign a Page Rank to your site. However, if you have been
crawled, and your site has good content, it seems likely that a rank
of at least 1 or 2 will be assigned at some point.

If you post your URL in a Clarification here, it might be possible to
offer you some suggestions as to things you can do that *might* help
your page rank (when it comes to positive Page Rank results, nothing
can ever be *guaranteed*).

Regards,

aceresearcher

Clarification of Question by michael2-ga on 29 May 2003 05:59 PDT
Thanks Ace.  I just wondered if there was any sort of known delay
between a site being updated and the page rank being re-calculated. 
Our previous rank was 4, but we now have no rank, and haven't had one
for a month or so.  The update was just to the look and feel, and I'm
pretty sure we don't breach any of G's guidelines.  But is 'no page
rank' a sort of penalty - like page rank 0 -or what does it mean?

I'd prefer not to post the URL here, but I'm not sure if I should be
doing anything about this.  It just doesn't perhaps look too good to
potential clients.

regards

Michael2

Request for Question Clarification by aceresearcher-ga on 29 May 2003 11:13 PDT
michael2,

I'd say it's highly likely that the change to your look-and-feel is
what caused the changed in your Page Rank. However, without seeing
your site as it is now, and as it was before you made the changes, I
can not offer any enlightenment as to the source of your problem.

Best Wishes,

ace

Clarification of Question by michael2-ga on 29 May 2003 11:31 PDT
Just to clarify for me; do you know whether 'no page
rank' is a sort of penalty - like page rank 0 is?

M

Request for Question Clarification by aceresearcher-ga on 29 May 2003 11:33 PDT
michael2,

If you had a Page Rank of 4 before, and now you don't have one, that
is certainly going to affect your placement in Search Results. I would
say that that effectively makes it a "penalty".

ace

Request for Question Clarification by mcfly-ga on 29 May 2003 13:46 PDT
Michael2,

Just as a quick comment to follow-up Ace's last clarification,
although being unranked constitutes a penalty in terms of you results
position, it is not a known 'punishment' handed out by Google for
malpractice.  It is likely that you update may just have confused the
GoogleBot temporarily and you will regain your PageRank over the
coming weeks.

mcfly-ga
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Subject: Re: How long to see a page rank?
Answered By: serenata-ga on 29 May 2003 20:12 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hi Michael2 ~

I'll remind you of what my colleagues, Aceresearcher and McFly said
above, and add the following so you have an answer to your question.

It seems that the timing of your site changes roughly coincided with
changes Google apparently made to its page rank algorithms. I say
"apparently", because as Aceresearcher said, we are not privy to the
inner workings of Google nor to any inside information on its
closely-guarded algorithms. Thousands of sites were recently changed
in page rank, and some sites were dropped entirely from Google's
listings.

Discussion boards abound with speculation about Google's 'new algos'
by very bright people, some of whom are acknowledged as search engine
optimization experts. Indeed, some of those discussions seem rather
cold and calculated as they're trying to decide whether to drop links
from several with a lower page rank in exchange for a single link or
two from higher page ranks.

There is speculation whether Google penalizes, and to what extent
(that is, dropping a site completely or just severely dropping a
page's rank) for linking to link exchanges, etc., whether three links
from someone with a page rank of 4 will carry as much "weight" as a
link with someone with a page rank of 5, and so forth.

Take a look at some of the discussion boards on WebMaster World, and
you'll see what I mean. If you peruse the boards for a few hours, you
will start to see who has some idea and who hasn't a clue; and will
soon be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 - http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/13604.htm

Everyone seems to be wondering what's going on and when it will 'even
out'.


What we *do* know:
==================

This is what Google does say about page rank:

" PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by
using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's
value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a
vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer
volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page
that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves
"important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages
"important."

Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google
remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages
mean nothing to you if they don't match your query. So, Google
combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find
pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes
far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines
all aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages
linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query."
(From Google's "Our Search: Google Technology")
 - ://www.google.com/technology/

There has been speculation that links from pages with a higher page
rank is what gives you a higher page rank, although you can see Google
uses the word "important" and doesn't tell you what its definition of
"important" is.

If your site meets the suggestions in Google's Information for
Webmasters page:
 - ://www.google.com/webmasters/

and the Webmaster Guidelines:
 - ://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

and stay away from the "shalt nots" in the Basic Principles and
Specific Recommendations, and if there are enough good links to your
own site, your Page Rank should come back up once the entire structure
has been crawled with the new algorithms.

Things are shifting daily, and they are far from settled yet. Watching
events unfold may be frustrating as you wait; but there should be some
small comfort in knowing that you are alone, and your guess at this
point is probably as good as anyone else's on what is going to happen
and when page rankings will be restored.

To answer your question, the best we can do is give you what we know
ourselves, which isn't really all that much, and pass on Google's
published suggestions, which I did above.

Good luck, and I do hope things start to unfold in your favor.

Search terms:
 - Google page rank
 - Discussion: Google page rank


Regards,
Serenata
michael2-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
I'll look at those discussions with interest. Thanks for the helpful background.

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