I am trying to locate the port in England fron which my great,great
grandparents immigrated to New Zealand in 1864.  The ships name was
the Tiptree. and they left Liskeard, Cornwall.

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Request for Question Clarification by umiat-ga on 31 May 2003 17:52 PDT

What was their last name? Did they arrive in New Zealand in 1864, or
leave England in 1864? Do you know the port where they arrived in New
Zealand. I have a good source of passengers by ship, and by name on
particular ships.

 umiat

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Request for Question Clarification by umiat-ga on 31 May 2003 17:58 PDT

The Tiptree left London and arrived in Lyttelton, New Zealand On
January 20th, 1864. It is the only arrival for the Tiptree in New
Zealand in 1864, as far as I can see. If you can tell me the last
name, I can do a cross-reference.

Hello, jinnyjane!


 I am sure I have found the port information you are seeking. It
appears your ancestors left from the Port of London on the Tiptree in
1863 and arrived in Lyttelton, New Zealand in 1864.


Tiptree
Ship: 1650 Tons
Captain: Davis
Surgeon-superindendent: Dr. Shield
Sailed London October 20th 1863 - arrived Lyttelton January 20 1864


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You should be able to find their names at:

"Archives New Zealand IMCH4/56 - Cabin Passengers." Lyttelton Times
January 21st 1864 at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/Tiptree.htm


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The Cabin Passengers have no county listed.


The Immigrant passengers from the county of Cornwall include:


Berryman, George and Prudence (Carpenter)
Bullack, James and Elizabeth A. (Farm labourer)
Chegwidden, James and Elizabeth  (Blacksmith)
Chivers, James, Alice, John (Gardener)
Clark, William and Sarah (Labourer)
Clark, Richard, Sally, Elizabeth Sarah, Ada, Alfred (Labourer)
Collins, John, Mary, Annie, Martha J (Farm labourer)
Collins, Richard, Elizabeth (Farm labourer)
Collins, James, Emma, Horatio, Ellen M. (Carpenter
Edmonds, John T. and Mary (Mason)
Ellery, John, Jane and Susan (Farm labourer)
Gundry, Edward, Elizabeth plus 5 children (Farm labourer)
Harvey, William and Anne (Painter)
Hill, Joseph and Elizabeth (Farm Labourer)
Husband, George S. , Elizabeth J. and John Thomas (Farm labourer)
Keast, George, Dorcas, Mary W. and Sarah (Farm labourer)
Lawry, William, Catherine and John (Farm labourer)
Luckey, Joseph, Sarah, plus 4 children (Farm labourer)
Martin, Alfred, Mary A. , infant (Labourer)
Martin, William, Susan, children (Farm labourer)
Netherton, John, Amelia, Mary Jane (Farm labourer)
Nicholls, John, Elizabeth, Stephen (Farm labourer)
Oliver, John P. and Martha J. (Labourer)
Pascoe, Richard J. Prudence and children (Tailor)
Pearce, Richard J. , Louisa P. and children (Painter)
Sutterley, John, Ann and children (Farm labourer)
Taylor, John Jr, Ann and children (Farm labourer)
Thomas, Thomas and Nanny (Farm labourer)
Varcoe, William and Elizabeth (Farm labourer)
Whitford, Edward, Elizabeth A. and Edward C. (labourer)

Single men:

Gebbabm Gerbert (farm labourer)
Lukey, Jabez 
Martin, John (Labourer)
Opie, James and Peter (Farm labourer) (Carpenter)
Varco, Alfred (Farm labourer)
White, William John (Farm labourer)


Single women:

Lukey, Mary A. and Sarah Jane (Domestic Servant)
Martin, Sarah Ann (Domestic Servant)
Opie, Mary Ann and Jane (Dairy Women)
Pascoe, Elizabeth, Emma and Mary (Domestic Servant)
Ripper, Mary Jane (Farm Servant)
Sutterley, Elizabeth, Eliza and Mary Ann (Domestic Servant)
Thomas, Jane (Domestic Servant)
Varcoe, Ellen, Bessy and Emma (Cook) (Domestic Servants)
White, Mary Ann (Domestic Servant)


( The list includes all the ages as well!)


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If you look at the arrivals by ship,
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/OurPassengerLists.htm

you will see that the Tiptree had only had one voyage to New Zealand
in 1863-1864.


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Also see "Passenger Lists."
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/fpasslist.htm

TIPTREE	  (Sailed) 20 October 1863   (Arrived Lyttleton) 20 January
1864


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Also see "New Zealand Migrant Shipping (1861-1875)" Passenger Ships
Arriving in Australasian Ports.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/shipping/mig-nz2.htm


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Again, the Tiptree left the Port of London in October 1863! 


If you need additional clarification *before* rating this answer,
please don't hesitate to ask and I will help if I can.

Please....at least let me know if you did, indeed, find your
ancestor's names on the passenger list.

umiat-ga

Google Search
Tiptree 1864 to new zealand

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Request for Answer Clarification by jinnyjane-ga on 01 Jun 2003 15:36 PDT

Hi there,
     My family name was Lukey and they were assisted immigrants to New
Zealand.  My great, great, Grandfather was 49 years old and a farm
labourer.  My My great, great Grandmother was 47years old and they had
eight children, five of which came out from England.  My great
grandmother was 13 years old when they arrived which was in 1864. 
They disembarked,I have been told, at the port of Timaru, South
Canterbury, in the South Island, of N.Z.

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Request for Answer Clarification by jinnyjane-ga on 01 Jun 2003 15:47 PDT

Hi there,
    Thanyou very much for the answer to my question.  My family are
indeed on the passenger list and the only thing I am surprised at is
that I was always told that the ship came to Timaru before there was a
port there and the ship was moored out in the roadstead ( the word
used to discribe the mooring area off shore) so that the lighter boats
to take both passengers and goods to shore. At the time they arrived
there were around 300 people living in the port of Timaru.

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Clarification of Answer by umiat-ga on 01 Jun 2003 15:58 PDT

Hi, jinnyjane,

 The name is right except for the "c". The ages are right for you
grandfather and grandfather. Five children came from England, as you
suggested. Also, one daugher was 13 when they arrived, which must have
been your great grandmother. It may be that the boat's original
destination, as on the manifest, was to Lyttelton, and then they made
their way to South Canterbury.

Luckey Joseph 49 Cornwall Farm Labourer 
       Sarah 47   
       Mary Ann 17  Trans to s/w  
       Jabez 14     Trans to s/m  
       Sarah A. 13  Trans to s/w  
       Lydia 8   
       Martha 

If you look at the arrival ports, you can see that NO ships landed at
Timaru in South Cantebury:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/OurPassengerLists.htm

It is evident that the Tiptree made only that one trip during that
year and it was only to the port at Lyttelton.
 
The evidence for everything else you have mentioned stacks up.  What
do you think? Do you still wonder if it is them, or do you think the
final destination was incorrect?

Having gone through extensive geneology with my own ancestors, who
came over from Hungary, Austria, and England, I know I often run into
some bits of information that proved otherwise, but everything else,
including names and children, stacked up.

umiat

Hi again,
My family are indeed on that list and their names are all correct
except for the c in the name Lukey which I see is not on the single
older children in the family who were berthed in the single quarters.
I am very impressed and pleased with the answer.  Thankyou for your
help.  I have given you a tip and I am sorry it isn't more.  I just
can't afford it but I would like to ask you another question. A new
one.  Can I do that please?

jinnyjane-ga,

 Thank you for your generous rating and tip. I am so happy I could
help. I would have loved to answer your other question, but in order
to make sure I can answer it, you must request it as a question "for
Umiat." Otherwise, it is open for another researcher, and has
currently been locked by someone else.

 In the future, I will be more than happy to answer any other
questions you may have!

 umiat