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Subject: Internet browser usage
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: brando316-ga
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Posted: 03 Jun 2003 09:18 PDT
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Question ID: 212470
What is the breakdown of broswer and version numbers for internet
users in the US, also broken down by operating system?  For example,
what % of users use Netscape 4.7 (windows) vs Netscape 7 (mac) vs
Mozilla 1.2.1 (linux) vs IE6 (windows), etc.

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 03 Jun 2003 12:48 PDT
I've only seen a small bit of the type of data you are looking for --
such as the fact that the combination of IE6 and Windows XP is the
most common in use.  A few other combinations are fairly common, and
percents are available, but these are global numbers, as opposed to
US-only.

I suspect that the more detailed type of data you are seeking for the
US-only would have to be purchased from one of the internet analysis
companies that collect this sort of data.

Let me know if you'd like the few data that are available on
browser/system combinations posted as an answer to your question.
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Subject: Re: Internet browser usage
Answered By: haversian-ga on 03 Jun 2003 12:49 PDT
 
Hi there brando316,

That's a pretty specific question.  Large surveys are usually
interested in the browser by itself, so you will see IE/win and IE/mac
as one data point; all Gecko-based browsers (Mozilla, Netscape,
Galeon, etc.) as another.  Less scientific, but more real-world data
from individual webservers publishing analyses of their web logs
typically include browser/OS combinations rather than each separately.

Presuming you want current rather than historical results, I include
only those surveys or reports from the past year or so.  If you'd like
some historical perspective, let me know and I will dig those back up.
 Also available are paid reports (such as
http://www.statmarket.com/cgi-bin/sm.cgi?sm&serv_info&features ) which
will provide more comprehensive and likely more accurate data; again
if you are interested in these let me know.

First off we have W3 Schools' report on browser and OS (among others)
usage, found here ( http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
).

TheCounter.com lists statistics by month from January 2000 to last
month, May 2003.  ( http://www.thecounter.com/stats/ )

The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign has very comprehensive
results on the browsers that have hit their Engineering server - these
results would likely be skewed toward the browsing habits of college
students. ( http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/bstats/latest.html )


As one would expect, IE/Win has by far the greatest market share.  If
you would like a broader or deeper selection of information, please
don't hesitate to request a clarification.

-Haversian

Search keywords:
netcraft [unsuccessful]
(web) browser statistics
(web) browser usage
(web) browser survey (results)

Request for Answer Clarification by brando316-ga on 03 Jun 2003 14:44 PDT
Thanks for your response.  You mention that Gecko-based browsers are
all usually grouped together.  Have you seen any data to suggest what
% of users use a Mozilla browswer vs Netscape?
On my web site, I've found that my customers who are using Mozilla
1.2.1 are having some problems, while those who use Netscape (anything
from 4.7 to 7) do just fine.  I've also found that IE5 users on Macs
have problems, but not IE5 on Windows.
Ultimately, I'm trying to decide what browswers we should and should
not support, based on the amount of traffic I get.  We're not doing a
great job of trapping (or at least reporting) the browswer type that's
being used, so I thought I'd see if any public information was
available.
Thanks for your help.

Clarification of Answer by haversian-ga on 04 Jun 2003 07:24 PDT
Glad to be of assistance.

> Have you seen any data to suggest what % of users use a Mozilla
browswer vs Netscape?

Do you mean Mozilla v. Netscape 4.x and below?  Or strictly Mozilla v.
all Netscapes, including those built on Mozilla code?
On a commercial website I'm partly responsible for, about 10% of our
traffic comes from Netscape browsers, 1/3 of that from NS6/7 (the
Mozilla versions).  A further 7% or so of traffic comes from "true"
Mozillas and a smattering of hits from Konqueror.  These guys (
http://www.broward.org/usage/brow0702_b.htm ) are seeing about an
80/20 split for IE / Netscape, with about 90-95% of Netscapes being
NS4.

> On my web site, I've found that my customers who are using Mozilla
1.2.1 are having some problems, while those who use Netscape (anything
from 4.7 to 7) do just fine.  I've also found that IE5 users on Macs
have problems, but not IE5 on Windows.

I suspect this is a problem with your site rather than the browsers,
as IE/mac is a lot better than IE/Win in terms of standards
compliance, etc.  Ditto Moz / NS4.  If you would like someone to help,
post a question with your website address - we have dealt with this
sort of issue before.  Alternately, head on over to one of the HTML
validators (I prefer to go straight to the source and use the W3C's
validator).

> Ultimately, I'm trying to decide what browswers we should and should
not support, based on the amount of traffic I get.  We're not doing a
great job of trapping (or at least reporting) the browswer type that's
being used, so I thought I'd see if any public information was
available.

Do you have control over the web server (Apache?)'s configuration? 
You can get good information written to a log that you can then
analyze with, for example, Analog.  Some browsers lie though.  Some
fairly prominent sites still do stupid browser detection and will
serve crap if they don't see either MSIE or Netscape; accordingly many
Mozilla-based browsers "pretend" to be one or the other in order to be
served proper HTML to render.

"Official" surveys which specifically mentions Mozilla and Netscape
are harder to find, but one indicates that IE has about a 94% market
share, Netscape about 3% and Mozilla just over 1%.  (
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/1557411 ) and
OneStat.com concurs (
http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox15.html ).

-Haversian


Links:
W3C's HTML validator:
http://validator.w3.org/

W3C's CSS validator:
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/


Search terms:
browser usage mozilla v. netscape
mozilla v. netscape
mozilla market share
Comments  
Subject: Re: Internet browser usage
From: larre-ga on 03 Jun 2003 12:18 PDT
 
Individual category statistics, i.e. browers OR operating systems, are
publicly available. Current correlated statistics breakdowns of
browsers by OS are not. Correlated statistics may be purchased from
entities such as:

StatMarket
http://www.statmarket.com/cgi-bin/sm.cgi?sm&signup&pricing

Jupiter Media
http://www.jupiterdirect.com/bin/

Pricing begins at $195
Subject: Re: Internet browser usage
From: respree-ga on 03 Jun 2003 12:29 PDT
 
Assuming you own a server, your traffic logs should give you a rough
estimate.  I don't think my traffic is different from anyone elses and
should be a 'fair' representation of what you're looking for.  Please
note these stats do not make a distinction between region (U.S. versus
elsewhere).  Stats based on about 13 million hits on my site.  Hope
that helps or gives you a rough estimate of what you're looking for.


Hits/Pctg are presented below like (13284580 88.1 %)

MS Internet Explorer (Versions) No 13284580 88.1 % 
 
MSIE/1.xx     
MSIE/2.xx 190 0 % 
MSIE/3.xx 1949 0 % 
MSIE/4.xx 113203 0.8 % 
MSIE/5.xx 4630479 34.8 % 
MSIE/6.xx 8538743 64.2 % 
MSIE/7.xx 8 0 % 

Netscape (Versions) No 821390 5.4 % 
 
Mozilla/1.xx     
Mozilla/2.xx 139 0 % 
Mozilla/3.xx 8752 1 % 
Mozilla/4.xx 366291 44.5 % 
Mozilla/5.xx 446139 54.3 % 
Mozilla/6.xx 4 0 % 
Mozilla/7.xx     
Mozilla/8.xx 43 0 % 
 
Other Browsers:
 Opera No 42643 0.2 % 
 WebTV browser No 11766 0 % 
 WebCopier (site grabber) Yes 4141 0 % 
 Konqueror No 2438 0 % 
 ANT Fresco No 567 0 % 
 OmniWeb No 484 0 % 
 LibWWW No 464 0 % 
 UP.Browser (PDA/Phone browser) No 242 0 % 
 TelePort Pro (site grabber) Yes 234 0 % 
 Microsoft Mobile Explorer (PDA/Phone browser) No 71 0 % 
 Acrobat (site grabber) Yes 47 0 % 
 Lotus Notes web client No 38 0 % 
 Lynx No 34 0 % 
 iCab No 24 0 % 
 w3m No 23 0 % 
 W3C HTML Validator No 14 0 % 
 Nokia Browser (PDA/Phone browser) No 4 0 % 
 WebZIP No 4 0 % 
 Nutscrape No 3 0 % 
 WDG HTML Validator No 2 0 % 
 StarOffice No 1 0 % 
 Links No 1 0 %

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