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Subject: Smoking ban on airlines
Category: Sports and Recreation > Travel
Asked by: ice_spar-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 04 Jun 2003 08:10 PDT
Expires: 04 Jul 2003 08:10 PDT
Question ID: 212951
Smoking has been prohibited by US law on all scheduled (whatever that
means) international flights to or from North America since 2000. How
is it possible, in practice, for a smoker to fly to N. America without
having to abstain?
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Subject: Re: Smoking ban on airlines
Answered By: politicalguru-ga on 03 Jul 2003 08:04 PDT
 
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The discussion group alt.invest.real-estate 
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might be also of interest for you.

I hope that answered your question. Feel free to contact me if you
need any clarification on this answer. I'd be pleased to clarify my
answer before you rate it.

Clarification of Answer by politicalguru-ga on 03 Jul 2003 08:06 PDT
Dear Ice Spar, 

I can't find any words to apologise - I pasted another answer by
mistake. Here's yours.


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Dear Ice Spar, 

You are not the only one suffering. I don't know if it is much of a
comfort, but many have problems to abstain from smoking for a long
period. It was very difficult to find, in today's anti-smoking
environment, airlines that would fly to North America (that is, non-US
North America, since the US bans it on all arriving flights) and would
allow smoking.

There are several ways to cope, some were mentioned by my colleagues
at the comments section (Nicort or other Chewing gums, sleeping pills,
etc.).

When I began searching for an answer for you, I found recommendations
on Aeroflot (the Russian carrier) and EgyptAir. They both actually
have a non-smoking policy, but this brought up the idea to search for
companies from, (how do I put it), "smokers-friendly" countries. Since
these bans are very dynamic (EgyptAir bans smoking since June 1st this
year, for example), there might be changes - check with the company in
any case.

Air China <http://www.airchina.com.cn/english/index.jsp> allow smoking
on their flights to parts of their North American destinations.

Cubana - <CUBANA DE AVIACION http://www.cubana.cu/ingles/index.html>
The Cubans are against everything the Americans are for, right?
Anyway, Cubana holds no anti-smoking policies. You could fly
transatlantic to Cuba, and from there to North American Destinations.

Emirates <http://www.emirates.com/> - smoking is allowed on some of
their flights.

Lloyd Aereo Boliviano <http://www.labairlines.com/> - a bit more
tricky, since it implies flying to Bolivia and from there to your
non-US destination. Smoking is banned in their domestic flights. Site
is only in Spanish.

Pakistan Airlines <http://www.piac.com.pk> fly to three destinations
in North America, one of them in Canada. Smoking is banned in domestic
flights.

"Last minute" company "Thomas Cook"
<http://www.thomascook-flug.de/home/index.html> flies to North
America, and allows smoking, but warns, that this would not be allowed
on planes leased from Lufthansa (therefore, it is recommended to
enquire).

Another airline you could try (not for North America, though) is MIAT
(the Mongolian carrier, http://www.miat.com/). According to this
article at Car Survey Review
<http://www.carsurvey.org/air/review_4533.html> has a lax attitude
regarding smoking. Air Lanka (http://www.srilankan.aero/), too, don't
fly to North American destinations. I haven't been also able to
confirm that Qatar Airlines allow smoking on their long-distance
flights http://www.qatarairways.com/InFlight/index.html

According to a list I found (The completely outdated
<http://hem.passagen.se/fungus/airlines.html>) Lituanian Airlines are
also somkers friendly. However, I haven't been able to confirm that,
nor learn if they fly to North American destinations. Similarly, Air
Madagascar is found to be smokers friendly. However, it is not certain
that they have Canadian destinations <http://www.airmadagascar.info/>.
Gulf Air <http://www.gulfairco.com> allow smoking, but I haven't seen
a Canadian or Mexican destination (only US ones). AeroPero is also
mentioned as smoker's friendly, but their website(s) are unavailable.

Swiss - http://www.swiss.com/index/tg-hc-rp-rent-a-plane.htm 

Sobelair - Rent a Plane
www.sobelair.com/company/rent/ 

Nashiville Jet Charters
www.nashvillejetcharters.com/s5_nashville_jet.html

Plane Rental - Capitol
www.capitolairservices.com/cas/rentaplane.htm 



Further Articles and Sites
--------------------------
Are there any airlines that still allow smoking?
http://travel.guardian.co.uk/askatraveller/story/0,8915,906682,00.html

List: Non-Smoking policies
http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/policy/safety/smoke3.htm

Alt-Smokers http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=alt.smokers

My search strategy might be useful for further searches. I began by
using the term "smokers" and "transatlantic". This brought me to
several sites, and to the search for airlines. From this moment on, I
searched for names of specific airlines (mentioned in the outdated
lists, in the search for terms such as "smoking" + "airlines") and
checked each airline for its current policy. Of course, I thought of
the alternative solutions (such as hiring a plane) without using a
research strategy.

I hope this answered your question. Please contact me if you need any
clarifications on my answer. I'd be pleased to clarify my answer
before you rate it. And, as they say, "Don't drink and drive, smoke
and fly".
Comments  
Subject: Re: Smoking ban on airlines
From: chis-ga on 04 Jun 2003 10:40 PDT
 
take an unscheduled flight :)
Subject: Re: Smoking ban on airlines
From: pafalafa-ga on 04 Jun 2003 11:07 PDT
 
Here's how one airline tries to ease the pain:


Non smoking policy  

Since March 29, 1998 all Lufthansa flights worldwide are operated as
non smoking flights. Smoking is also strictly forbitten in the
lavatory.
Please also observe the smoking regulations at the airport you are
arriving at.

In case you have the urge for a cigarette during the flight, Lufthansa
offers you complimentary Nicorette chewing gums in all classes. On
certain routes inhalors are available in First and Business Class.
Subject: Re: Smoking ban on airlines
From: nfpolaris-ga on 04 Jun 2003 11:25 PDT
 
i think an unscheduled flight refers to flights such as charter
flights, that are not part of normal airline schedule.  So i guess
if you are wiling to pony up the HUGE sum of chartering a whole
plane...smoke away!!
Subject: Re: Smoking ban on airlines
From: steph53-ga on 04 Jun 2003 15:41 PDT
 
Hi ice_spar-ga,

As a smoker myself, whenever I fly I try to have a few just before the
flight, put on a Nicoderm patch and try to sleep as long as I can on
the flight. Oh and I try not to drink any alcoholic beverages as that
would spark an urge to light up.
Subject: Re: Smoking ban on airlines
From: digsalot-ga on 04 Jun 2003 17:35 PDT
 
I too am a smoker but I have found the secret of smoking on any flight
I want.  I can light up anytime I feel like it.

All I have to do is go outside and sit on the wing.

They even let me choose which side of the aircraft I want.  I have
also found if I go way out and sit near the tip of the wing, I can
catch a better breeze.  Wings can be so stuffy and confining, you
know.

You have to be a little careful at 32,000 feet.  Too many airlines
neglect to put safety belts on their engine mounts.

digs

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