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Subject: Stinge while surfing in california
Category: Science > Biology
Asked by: steffeng-ga
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Posted: 09 Jun 2003 22:38 PDT
Expires: 09 Jul 2003 22:38 PDT
Question ID: 215430
hello,
I really donīt know if anybody can help me with this one, but iīll
try.
the basic question is: what animal/plant/alien stung me in the water?

about four days ago I was pricked by something while I was paddeling
out to surf on the coast of san diego, california. It is a pretty
crowded spot with sand to the one end and rocks to the other end of
the ground. I was just getting back out to catch another wave on the
transistion of both grounds. in order to do so, I had to paddle
through some seaweed, which was just floating around in a pile.
that is when i noticed a stinge in my left underarm. i thought it was
some kind of jellyfish and kept on paddeling to get to the next wave.
but i had to get off that wave because of the pain in my arm. when i
looked at it i saw a stinger(prick) which had a triangular shape still
in my arm. it was brown and white and about 2 millimeters long. I got
rid of it and cooled my arm in the ocean(about 63°). the pain was not
bad at all and so i decided to keep surfing. when i got out the area
of the sting was red(diameter of 8 centimeters; the center part(4mm
diameter)was noticably swollen).  it was a little itchy, but not too
much. the next day a white bubble (1-2 millimeter diameter) came up.
that all went away without trouble, but now, at least 3 days after
that, it started itching, and upon squeezing it, a clear liquid came
out of that point. what the heck is that? i am not having any concerns
about my health, but i would just like to know where that stinge came
from.
thanks for considering to help.

steffen.
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Subject: Re: Stinge while surfing in california
Answered By: czh-ga on 09 Jun 2003 23:24 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Hello steffeng-ga,

The situation and symptoms you described immediately made me think of
a stingray. A good friend was bit by one at a Southern California
beach under very similar circumstances. Stingrays are fairly common
around San Diego. According to the treatment suggestions, you should
have soaked it in very hot water immediately. You also have to worry
about reaction to the poison and possible infection. If your arm is
still oozing you might want to have a doctor check it to make sure
it’s not infected.

Here are some pages to describe the critters, how to avoid them and
what to do if you’re bit again. Good luck with your continued surfing
adventures.

czh


http://www.surfingsandiego.com/animals.shtml
Rays (see picture)
Danger Rating: 5
This is something you gotta watch out for here in San Diego. Small
rays tend to hang out in the shallow water right where you usually
tend to walk out. If you are not wearing booties, shuffle your feet
and splash a lot while walking out, this should scare them out of
there hiding place. However, if you step on them, they have this
painful barb on their tail that hurts quite well, so much so usually
that your surf outing will be cancelled.

http://www.advweb.com/michael/Cayman_08-05-97/pictures/25-Kellys_stingray_bite.jpg
Kellys_stingray_bite

http://gorp.com/gorp/publishers/foghorn/ca_beach3.htm
San Diego Sand
San Onofre State Beach
Even so, the most common animal-related injury is the bite of the
stingray, which is known to settle in the sand close to shore.

http://www.sharkattacks.com/sandiego.htm
San Diego, California
San Diego has always been a city that revolved around the sea. With
it's stunning beaches, wild life parks, and many first class
restaurants, it's dive sites are often overlooked. San Diego has a few
world famous dive sites as well as some of the best Kelp Forests in
the world. …
You should explore the kelp forests close to shore. Beneath the canopy
of massed fronds there are colorful fish, lobsters, eels, swellsharks
, leopard sharks, California hornsharks , and even the occasional
stingray. Watch especially for California's state marine fish, the
bright golden (and pugnacious) garibaldi

http://www.sdreader.com/php/ma_show.php3?id=070302C
Is it wise to pee on a stingray wound?
Friends say if you're stung by a sting ray and there's no medical help
or fresh water around, you can urinate on the wound and it will make
it better. Well?
-- Wondering, Oceanside
It's a well-known folk remedy, though I couldn't find any folk who'd
actually tried it or knew anyone who had. Believers state that
stingray venom is acid, urine is alkaline, so peeing into the wound
neutralizes the poison. Some say you're safer from infection if you
flush the wound with urine than with potentially contaminated sea
water. Most physicians will still recommend the sea water.
The tail barb of a ray is viciously serrated and covered with a fleshy
sheath. When an unalert beachgoer steps on a dozing ray, it whips its
tail up and jams the barb into the bather's foot or ankle or gashes
his flesh. The sheath tears off the barb, and the venom is released.
For the next 30 to 90 minutes, our hapless surf bunny writhes in
excruciating pain. Assuming the victim will let anyone near his
swollen, throbbing leg, the recommended first aid is to flush the
area-- yes, even with seawater, if that's all there is-- to remove as
much venom as possible. Then remove as much of the fleshy sheath as
can be seen in the wound. (The biggest danger from stingray stings is
infection usually from bits of sheath remaining in the wound.) Then
stick the wound in water as hot as the victim can tolerate or apply
hot compresses. That eases some of the pain and may help neutralize
the venom, which is chemically unstable and loses its toxicity at high
temperatures.
Stingray's barbs are intended for defense against marine predators, so
there's not enough venom in the sting to seriously affect the average
healthy adult human. There is a chance of allergic reactions to the
sting; and any stings to the upper part of the body, near the heart,
should be taken seriously. Since we're heading into the high-summer
ray days, remember to scuff your feet through the sand when you wade
to scare off any rays before you step on them. Then you'll only have
to worry about wounds from broken beer bottles and medical waste.

http://www.scuba-doc.com/inject.htm
Injected Toxins
STINGRAY 
Phylum Chordata, Class Chondrichthyes. These possess a serrated bony
spine at the base of the dorsal surface of the tail. An integumentary
sheath discharges venom when ruptured. Most injuries occur when the
ray is stepped on, the tail is thrust upward and forward and fired
into the foot or leg. The venom is thermolabile (deactivated with
heat) and induces severe vasoconstriction.
Symptoms: Intense pain is felt at the site; there is local ischemia
(loss of blood supply), and edema. Edges are jagged, may contain
pieces of spine and secondary infection is common. Systemic effects
include salivation, sweating, vomiting, diarrhea, cramps, hypotension
(low blood pressure), and cardiovascular collapse.
Treatment: Irrigate and remove remaining spine. Immerse in hot (50 C)
water until pain subsides. Give local or systemic pain relief.
Cleanse, debride and suture the wound. Give tetanus protection,
infection prophylaxis and monitor / support cardio-respiratory system
as indicated.

http://wellness.ucdavis.edu/safety_info/poison_prevention/poison_book/marine_creatures.html#stingrays
Stingrays
Stingrays have a barbed spine on their long tails that can cause
painful and dangerous stings. Stingrays can thrash their tails side to
side and up and down, causing glancing blows as well as actual stings.
Because the stinging spine has jagged edges, the wounds can be ragged,
deep and bleed extensively. A stingray does not attack but will sting
if surprised or provoked. Once stung, the pain is intense. There may
also be nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, difficulty breathing and
shock. Treatment for a stingray sting is to immediately immerse the
affected area in water as hot as the victim can tolerate without
causing burns. The wounded area must be kept in hot water for 30-60
minutes. Then call the Poison Center for more information.



SEARCH STRATEGY
sting rays "san diego"
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Request for Answer Clarification by steffeng-ga on 10 Jun 2003 00:39 PDT
yeah, thought about that too, but what about the little piece(and
color) still in my skin? as i wrote:

"when i looked at it i saw a stinger(prick) which had a triangular
shape still
in my arm. it was brown and white and about 2 millimeters long."

stingrays donīt leave anything in your skin, do they? at least none of
the webpages mention that. also, I was not in shallow water, but in
water at least 6 1/2 foot deep (I couldnīt walk, but had to paddle..).
to me that does not appear to be stingrayish.

Clarification of Answer by czh-ga on 10 Jun 2003 02:01 PDT
Hello steffeng-ga,

As one of the above references mentioned, stingrays can be lurking in
kelp forests and you mentioned that you were paddling through some
seaweed. The most usual situation is caused by people stepping on
them, but they can also cause an injury while swimming by and flicking
their tails and embedding the barbs in the victim’s skin.

I’ve found another reference that confirms pinkfreud’s research. The
barbs from the stingray can break off and get embedded in the skin.

The description of your injury and how it happened convinces me it was
a stingray. Since the wound is still oozing I think it would be
important to see a doctor to make sure that it’s cleaned out and any
remnants of the barbs have been removed. You should probably get a
tetanus booster shot and check to make sure that you don’t need
antibiotics for a possible infection.

Good luck for a speedy recovery.

czh

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual_home/sec24/287.jsp
Marine Animal Stings and Bites
Injuries to an arm or leg resulting from stings by stingrays and most
other fish should be rinsed with salt water. Fragments of the spine's
covering left in the wound should be removed if they can be seen. The
injured limb should be immersed in water as hot as the person can
tolerate for 30 to 90 minutes. If these first-aid measures are
delayed, the pain may be severe. In such cases, a doctor can numb the
wound with local anesthetics and give the person analgesics. Seeking
medical care is important so that the wound can be cleaned and
examined thoroughly, a tetanus booster given, antibiotics started if
necessary, and the wound closed with stitches.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~tarong/Bitestin.htm
Stingray 
The powerful spine on the tail can inflict a serious wound with
subsequent local tissue death.
Signs and Symptoms 
Intense pain 
Swelling 
Grey/blue discolouration 
An open wound may be present 
Stingray barbs may damage deep structures and fragments may remain in
the wound,
Irrational behaviour and panic may occur, 
Treatment 
Place the stung hand or foot in water as warm as the victim can
comfortably tolerate. This may relieve the pain. Heat denatures the
venom.
be careful not to burn the patient 
transport the patient to a medical facility, preferably by ambulance.
steffeng-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
Thanks for the help. I am still in doubt about the stingray(b/c of the
conditions - not on the ground, etc.), but at least it kinda makes
sense. Thank you very much.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Stinge while surfing in california
From: pinkfreud-ga on 10 Jun 2003 01:07 PDT
 
Regarding the matter of the stinger left in the skin, stingrays can
indeed leave a barb in the skin. Here are a couple of references:

"The tail contains one or more sharp barbs, which may embed in the
skin of the victim and break off, or glance across the skin causing a
laceration that may be quite deep and extensive."

http://www.marine-medic.com/pages/firstaid/page04.html

"Consult a physician to cleanse the wound and remove any fragments of
the stingray's spine which may be embedded in the skin."

http://www.gulfcoastcurrentsnews.com/cities/pensacolabeachfolder/beachsafetyfirstaid/pbsafetytips.html
Subject: Re: Stinge while surfing in california
From: km22-ga on 12 Jun 2003 12:18 PDT
 
I have an alternative possibility: it was a bee.  It's happened to me
once, while surfing in Santa Cruz (I'm not suggesting that California
coastal waters are crowded with bees).  They hurt, they leave little
barbs about 1-2 mm long, and they're stingin' mad about being stuck in
kelp and having a surfer paddle over them.

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