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Q: Link Popularity changes by the minute from 0 to 3 ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   1 Comment )
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Subject: Link Popularity changes by the minute from 0 to 3
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: bluelake-ga
List Price: $2.00
Posted: 17 Jun 2003 10:19 PDT
Expires: 17 Jul 2003 10:19 PDT
Question ID: 218380
Hello,

My site, www.windowonwales.co.uk,  of 3 months now has a link popularity
of 3-then it jumps back to 0! In both cases I can see none of my 30+
backward links.

What is happening please?

Thanks, Eamonn Mc Greevy

Request for Question Clarification by aceresearcher-ga on 17 Jun 2003 12:07 PDT
Eamonn,

I see only 4 sites linking to you that are indexed in Google.

Can you post a list of the 30+ sites you know are linked to you?

Also, if you have dates as to when the links were posted to those
sites, that would be helpful.

Regards,

aceresearcher

Clarification of Question by bluelake-ga on 17 Jun 2003 15:52 PDT
Hi Ace,

Below are 50 sites that are linked to me. Around 20-30 have been
linked to me for 4-8 weeks. As of today,when I visit my homepage
www.bluelake.co.uk, the Google Page Rank is 3 and then when I revisit
the page it shows zero! Even when it says 3 there are no backward
links. If you really need more accurate dates I can dig down and find
them. Please let me know if you need anything else. Thanks, Eamonn

www.yahoo.co.uk
www.lastminute-wales.net
www.uskinn.co.uk
www.tintern.org.uk
www.cowbridgetown.co.uk
www.llangollenbikes.co.uk
www.pembrokeshireanglers.org.uk
www.wales-walking.co.uk
www.northwalesindex.co.uk
www.newquay-westwales.co.uk
www.celticdelights.co.uk
www.cambrian-mountains.co.uk/
www.thisiscaerphilly.net
www.llantwit-major.net
www.llantwitmajorvale.co.uk
www.lincolnhotel.co.uk
www.cambriamagazine.com
www.uniquehomestays.com
www.cottage-holiday-wales.co.uk
www.portmeirion-village.com
www.portmeirion-village.com
www.cambrian-mountains.co.uk/
www.like2stay.co.uk
www.north-wales-bowling.co.uk
www.theadventurefitnesscompany.com
www.newcastle-emlyn.com
www.golden-castle.co.uk
www.bridge-gallery.co.uk
www.colwyn1.freeserve.co.uk
www.maesyfed.co.uk
www.gliffaeshotel.com
www.holyhead.com
www.gellifawr.co.uk
www.cowbridge-vale.co.uk
www.framingwales.co.uk
www.llyn-wales.co.uk
www.cottage77.freeserve.co.uk
www.wyefishery.com
www.westwales-cottages.com
www.llanycefn-forge.pembdirectory.co.uk
www.llyn-wales.co.uk
www.monmouth-pottery.co.uk
welsh-cottages.co.uk
www.thisisWales.net
www.llangollen-railway.co.uk
www.pumlumon.org.uk
www.uskinn.co.uk
www.tintern.org.uk
www.glamorganwalks.com
www.shirenewton.org.uk
www.fishing-in-kite-country.co.uk
www.shoalshook.co.uk
www.puffinhouse.co.uk
www.thisisCardiff.net

Request for Question Clarification by aceresearcher-ga on 17 Jun 2003 16:53 PDT
Eamonn,

When did you first submit your site to Google?

ace
Answer  
Subject: Re: Link Popularity changes by the minute from 0 to 3
Answered By: aceresearcher-ga on 17 Jun 2003 23:28 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Eamonn,

When you say "Link Popularity", I presume that you are referring to
Google's Page Rank. Page Rank is the extremely complex algorithm
(based on more than 100 different factors) that Google uses to decide
how "important" a page is, and thus how high it will rank in Google
Search Results. Backward Links are one of the most important of those
100 factors toward determining the Page Rank of your site.

When I visited your site, it showed a Page Rank of 3. If you recently
submitted it to Google (within the last couple of months), the
fluctuation in Page Rank is probably due to the fact that your site
hasn't yet settled in to the Google Index. Even if it's been in Google
awhile, you should know that Google has numerous servers all over the
world, and depending on to which server your Google Search or Toolbar
request gets routed, your Page Rank, description, and cached page may
vary, as it takes time to propagate the results of the Googlebot's
latest crawl of the Web to all those different servers.

Because your Page Rank is only 3, Google will not show Backward Links
for you.

Because of Google's secrecy, it is not known for absolute certain, but
the general consensus among experienced webmasters who have
extensively studied Google's "backward links" function pretty much
agree that if a URL has a Page Rank less than 4, the link: function
will not work, and that if it has a Page Rank of 4 or higher, the
link: function will only return pages with a Rank of 4 or higher:
    
From Senior Forum Member "Beachboy" at WebmasterWorld:      
"Your index page is PR3, Google won't show any inbound links unless
the page you're doing the query on is PR4 or greater."
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/4784.htm?highlight=inbound+links+higher
      
From Senior Forum Member "Birdman" at WebmasterWorld:      
"It is thought that Google only shows backlinks from pages that have a
pr4 or higher."
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/7309.htm?highlight=inbound+links+higher
   
However, you can still see the pages which link to you -- if they have
been indexed by Google -- by putting your URL into the Google Search
text box, clicking "Google Search", then clicking "contain the term"
on the resulting page:
---------------------------------------------------------
Free UK Virtual Tours - Web Design
| Welcome | Showcase | Free Virtual Tours | Send an E-Card| | Our
Services | FAQ
| Contact Us | Links | | Web Design | Client Access | Site Map | ©
2003. ...

Google can show you the following information for this URL:

Show Google's cache of www.windowonwales.co.uk 
Find web pages that are similar to www.windowonwales.co.uk 
Find web pages that link to www.windowonwales.co.uk 
Find web pages that contain the term "www.windowonwales.co.uk"
---------------------------------------------------------

This shows 3 links:
://www.google.com/search?q=%22%2Bwww.windowonwales.co.uk%22+-site%3Awindowonwales.co.uk
Apparently, the rest of the pages linking to you have not actually
been indexed by Google yet.

I hope that this Answer provides exactly the information you were
seeking!

Regards,

ace

Request for Answer Clarification by bluelake-ga on 18 Jun 2003 02:12 PDT
Hi Ace,

Thanks for your reply. However, virtually all 50 inbound links have
PR4+ which I have detailed below. If more than 30 links with a PR4-6
have been linked to me for more than 6 weeks, shouldn't they be
showing up by now?

www.yahoo.co.uk PR
www.lastminute-wales.net PR5
www.uskinn.co.uk PR4
www.tintern.org.uk PR4
www.cowbridgetown.co.uk PR4
www.llangollenbikes.co.uk PR5
www.pembrokeshireanglers.org.uk 
www.wales-walking.co.uk PR5
www.northwalesindex.co.uk PR6
www.newquay-westwales.co.uk 
www.celticdelights.co.uk PR5
www.cambrian-mountains.co.uk/ PR4
www.thisiscaerphilly.net PR4
www.llantwit-major.net 
www.llantwitmajorvale.co.uk PR4
www.lincolnhotel.co.uk PR5
www.cambriamagazine.com PR6
www.uniquehomestays.com 
www.cottage-holiday-wales.co.uk PR4
www.portmeirion-village.com PR5
www.cambrian-mountains.co.uk/ 
www.like2stay.co.uk PR4
www.north-wales-bowling.co.uk PR4
www.theadventurefitnesscompany.com PR5
www.newcastle-emlyn.com PR6
www.golden-castle.co.uk PR5
www.bridge-gallery.co.uk PR5
www.colwyn1.freeserve.co.uk PR5
www.maesyfed.co.uk PR5
www.gliffaeshotel.com PR5
www.holyhead.com PR5
www.gellifawr.co.uk 
www.cowbridge-vale.co.uk PR4
www.framingwales.co.uk PR4
www.llyn-wales.co.uk PR4
www.cottage77.freeserve.co.uk PR5
www.wyefishery.com PR5
www.westwales-cottages.com PR4
www.llanycefn-forge.pembdirectory.co.uk 
www.llyn-wales.co.uk PR4
www.monmouth-pottery.co.uk 
www.welsh-cottages.co.uk PR6
www.thisisWales.net PR4
www.llangollen-railway.co.uk PR6
www.pumlumon.org.uk PR4
www.uskinn.co.uk PR4
www.tintern.org.uk PR5
www.glamorganwalks.com PR4
www.shirenewton.org.uk PR4
www.fishing-in-kite-country.co.uk PR5
www.shoalshook.co.uk PR4
www.puffinhouse.co.uk PR4
www.thisisCardiff.net PR4

Request for Answer Clarification by bluelake-ga on 18 Jun 2003 02:14 PDT
Hi Ace,

My SEO recommended me not to submit to Google-but wait for you to find me.

Clarification of Answer by aceresearcher-ga on 18 Jun 2003 03:24 PDT
Eamonn,

I am not sure why your SEO would tell you that. If you just submitted
your site to Google within the last couple of weeks, resubmitting will
probably not do you any good, but it's not going to do you any harm,
either. Remember that you only need to submit your top-level URL (
http://www.windowonwales.co.uk ), and not every single page on your
site.

Waiting for the Googlebot to find you on its own is a really good way
to get completely overlooked by the Googlebot.

There are a number of things you could do to make your site more
attractive and friendly to the Googlebot and other Search Engines.
Going into those details would be outside the scope and price of the
fee for this Question, but you would certainly be able to post another
Question asking for help with this.

If you would like that kind of assistance, I encourage you to review
Google Answers' Pricing Guidelines:
http://answers.google.com/answers/pricing.html        
       
"$2 - $5  ·  Can be answered with a single link or a single piece of
information. Sometimes, if a researcher is personally interested in
the question's subject, they may provide a longer answer.
  ·  Not appropriate for multipart questions.        
  ·  Only 60% of the questions asked in this price range are
answered."
$10-$15 ·  Can be answered with 30 minutes of work."       

Best Wishes,

ace

Clarification of Answer by aceresearcher-ga on 18 Jun 2003 06:30 PDT
Eamonn,

I see that you asked another Question prior to your comment about
submitting to Google.

<< Thanks for your reply. However, virtually all 50 inbound links have
PR4+ which I have detailed below. If more than 30 links with a PR4-6
have been linked to me for more than 6 weeks, shouldn't they be
showing up by now? >>

Because your site has a PR less than 4, the Google link: command will
not show any backward links for your site.

Remember, also, that the PR which relates to your site is NOT the PR
of the main page of that site -- it's the PR of the page that **links
to you**.

For instance, just checking out the first few sites in your list:
http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search/ukie?p=window+on+wales&y=uk PR2
http://www.uskinn.co.uk PR4
http://www.cowbridgetown.co.uk/links/locallinks.htm PR2
http://www.llangollenbikes.co.uk/links.htm PR4
http://www.pembrokeshireanglers.org.uk/links.html PR1
http://www.celticdelights.co.uk/links.htm PR3
http://www.thisiscaerphilly.net/business/page1.html PR2
http://www.llantwit-major.net PR4
http://www.llantwitmajorvale.co.uk/links/locallinks.htm PR2

I couldn't find a link to your site on:
http://www.lastminute-wales.net
http://www.tintern.org.uk
http://www.northwalesindex.co.uk
http://www.northwalesindex.co.uk
http://www.lincolnhotel.co.uk

http://www.wales-walking.co.uk   
doesn't appear to be functional, at least right now.

PR0
Having a link on this page is probably hurting your Page Rank
http://www.newquay-westwales.co.uk/links.htm

Regards,

ace
bluelake-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $10.00
Excellent support Ace. Many Thanks-I'll be back.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Link Popularity changes by the minute from 0 to 3
From: aceresearcher-ga on 18 Jun 2003 11:53 PDT
 
Eamonn,

Thanks for the excellent Rating and the generous tip!

Best Wishes,

ace

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