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Pearl Harbor
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: youngnonna-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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23 Jun 2003 19:49 PDT
Expires: 23 Jul 2003 19:49 PDT Question ID: 220998 |
Pearl Harbour. My daughter is taking a summer school on world history. The teacher today put forward a premise that England knew that Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor but did not inform the US because they wanted the US to be involved in the war. Is this fact or fiction? I realize that this is subjective. |
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Re: Pearl Harbor
Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 23 Jun 2003 21:51 PDT Rated: |
Hello youngnonna-ga, At the outset, I should note that it is quite plausible that the British government -- in particular, Prime Minister Winston Churchill -- could have known that Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor, but did not inform the U.S. because it wanted the U.S. to be involved in the war. Certainly, Churchill was not unhappy about the natural consequence of the Pearl Harbor attack. As he later wrote: "... at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all. ... We should not be wiped out. Our history would not come to an end. We might not even have to die as individuals. Hitler's fate was sealed. Mussolini's fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder." "Provoked by Pearl Harbor - B. Churchill: His faith in Americas fighting spirit" The White House Historical Association http://www.whitehousehistory.org/02_learning/subs_docs/images_photos/1941_excerpts_b.html So, regardless of whether there is evidence that Churchill's government knew about the attack and failed to tell the U.S., there is always a possibility that this is what really happened. However, I believe that, at least at the present time, the story is fiction, rather than established fact. The claims that Churchill knew about the attack in advance are often based on Betrayal at Pearl Harbor, a book by James Rusbridger and Eric Nave. However, the critics generally find little in this book to convince them. "White Noise", by James Rusbridger, reply by Ian Buruma (April 9, 1992) The New York Review of Books http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2965 "Rus" [third item, on Betrayal at Pearl Harbor] The Literature of Intelligence: A Bibliography of Materials, with Essays, Reviews, and Comments, by J. Ransom Clark, Vice President for Administration, Muskingum College http://intellit.muskingum.edu/alpha_folder/R_folder/rus.html "Why Weren't We Warned?", by David Kahn, World War II Magazine (May 2001) [page 3 of article] About.com - 20th Century History http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/blwarned3.htm "Who Lost Pearl Harbor?", by David Greenberg (December 7, 2000) [second bullet point near the bottom of the article] Slate http://slate.msn.com/id/94663/ Maybe someday someone will uncover new evidence that will show that the Churchill government knew of the impending attack. But it seems that it is currently only a believable fiction. - justaskscott-ga Search terms used on Google: "churchill knew" "pearl harbor" "betrayal at pearl harbor" churchill "so we had won" | |
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Thank you for your answer. It was interesting that my daughter, age 15, came home from her summer school class and professed that Churchill knew of the attack. I doubted it at first - but, decided to give her the benefit of the doubt. After reading all of the data that you referenced, I have reached the conclusion that he did not know. For Churchill to know that thousands of Americans would be killed and our Pacific fleet would be decimated goes against all of my reasoning. This, like the Oswald conspiracies, is one minor thought in the overwhelming thought process that projects it as being wrong. |
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Re: Pearl Harbor
From: pugwashjw-ga on 24 Jun 2003 07:48 PDT |
Hi Youngnonna-ga. As far back as the 1930`s, the Japanese were planning to take control of the oil rich area of the so called " Far East" which includes Indonesia and the Phillipines. The militaristic Japanese Government wanted to forge ahead with technology and to this end they needed a source of energy supply. There is a very good anchorage on the West coast of Western Australia called Jurien Bay, That was thoroughly surveyed by Japanese shipping and seagoing fishing boats, with the express purpose of an invasion of the Australian mainland. Oil and gas reserves have been found and sealed in this exact area. Western Australia was going to be "sacrificed" to protect the Eastern states. But of course then the Australian government did not know about the oil, gas, irpon ore and diamonds, not to mention nickel and extra gold. Even Admiral Yamamoto knew that the moment Japan attacked America, they had lost the war....Churchill also knew that the war was won on December 6th. 1941. The Americans industrial might could not be destroyed, being protected by its geographical position. If Churchill knew of the attack, he is responsible for the loss of those 2,000 plus people at Pearl Harbour. |
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Re: Pearl Harbor
From: factsman-ga on 25 Jun 2003 00:25 PDT |
The U.S. and Britain were for the most part coorperating on intelligence matters. It should be noted that information was not always being efficiently circulated, even amongst the various departments and posts of the U.S. military. This is one of the lessons learned from Pearl Harbor. An example of this is the "Winds Message", which was designed as a coded message sent from Japan over regular broadcast radio as a weather forecast. The content of the forecast would detail the state of current diplomatic relations with the U.S., Britain, or Russia. According to testimony provided by naval intelligence officer, capt. L.F. Safford, "We received a tip-off from the British in Singapore in late November, 1941, which was immediately forwarded to the Navy Department by the Commander-in-Chief, U. S. Asiatic Fleet, with an information copy to the Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet." http://www.corregidor.org/../chs_crypto1/ctn_safford.htm |
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