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Subject: Canadian Nationality
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: fairfield-ga
List Price: $30.00
Posted: 25 Jun 2003 14:46 PDT
Expires: 25 Jul 2003 14:46 PDT
Question ID: 221722
CANADA WWII Nationality Registry: We will only accept a reply that
specifically tells us the EXACT file/profolio or other location, with
the relevant legislation/Order in Council that authorise this
Registry. We suspect that it may be in National Archives Canada
(resulted from an Act passed in 1943 and had a backdated clause for
those born abroad since the beginning of the war):copies entries which
would or should have specifically been placed in the soldier's
military file in NA, or somewhere else like External Affairs Canada,
detailing Canadian servicemen's children born abroad in WWII.

This Registry would normally be held and recorded in a Consulate, but
Canada only had during the war, a High Commission in the UK and still
only has a High Commission in the UK today. This Registry will record
date of birth, location of birth, parents etc. for nationality
purposes. There was considerable official government to official
government correspondence (Secretary of State to Secretary of State
level) on this issue. The Swiss were pushing Canada to have procedures
in place and UK was in agreement to set up this Registry.
We have seen a few such documents in Public Records Office, Kew
Gardens, London UK but we need to know THE LOCATION AND LEGAL
AUTHORITY, THE STATUTE, REGULATIONS OR ORDER IN COUNCIL that
authorized the setting up of this Registry. Once located we can make
separate and further enquiries as to who exactly is on/in this
Registry

Thank you

Request for Question Clarification by cath-ga on 01 Jul 2003 15:20 PDT
Hi Fairfield,

(the name of my hometown!) I have an e-mail out to the Canadian High
Commission in the UK, but I just want to be sure what you really
want. I gather you want two things:

1) The location of the Canadian WWII Nationality Registry, and
2) the law that authorized the setting up of the Registry.

Is this correct? cath-ga

Clarification of Question by fairfield-ga on 05 Jul 2003 06:25 PDT
Thanks cath-ga sorry for delay

You are quite correct that is exactly what we require.

As far as 2) is concerned we think that there may have
been an amendment or Order in Council to the 1918
amendment to the 1914 Nationality Act (UK).

Good luck and thanks again

Request for Question Clarification by cath-ga on 07 Jul 2003 14:09 PDT
Hi!

Thanks for your reply. I have e-mails out to the Canadian National
Archive as well, but they have a long response time (several weeks).
In the meantime, you might want to try the following, which
I found on the Genealogy page of the Archive:

"Requests for searches of naturalization/citizenship indexes and
records from 1854 to the present should be mailed to the under-noted
office:

Citizenship and Immigration Canada 
Public Rights Administration 
360 Laurier Ave West
10th Floor 
OTTAWA ON  K1A 1L1 
Please note that the following conditions apply: 

Each application for copies must be submitted on an Access to
Information Request Form by a Canadian citizen or an individual
present in Canada.

Fee: $5.00, payable to the Receiver General for Canada." 

For the rest of the information they need, go to :

http://www.archives.ca/02/020202/02020219_e.html

I can continue to search if I understand something better:
Are you trying to find the child of a Canadian serviceman
born during the war in Britain? Or establish his
nationality? Any further info on what you're trying to
find out, and also where you are, might help.
Thanks, cath-ga

Clarification of Question by fairfield-ga on 08 Jul 2003 09:15 PDT
Thank you for your latest information although we were aware of the
National Archives Ottawa address, we don't have direct access to go to
Ottawa, we would be checking various government files of related
interest, in person, but this option is not open to us, etc. [we would
love to do exchange research here in UK for Canadian research in
Ottawa]. We realize you are in the UK too. We would like you to
continue to search for the two specific items we have asked for -- we
are impressed with your previous answers/comments in this service and
the client's responses. A side note: the bulk of Canada House Law
Library was packed into boxes and went to [year?] Senate House,
University of London, and still is in boxes, still unpacked, and not
indexed [2002] -- and no public access. All personal files would have
made their way to National Archives Canada. Recommend one book worth
reading, Wilson [National Archives] and Stacey [Official gov't
military historian] Half a Million Canadians in Britain, 1939-1945
(University of Toronto Press, 1986), two chapters within are
pertinent. The Imperial War Museum has also been a goldmine of
nuggets.

We are trying to establish the "nationality issues" of various
Canadian military dependent children, born in the UK to Canadian
servicemen during the war: not for the sake of it, but to ascertain
the legal status of military dependents:

(1) born in wedlock, those born out of wedlock [due to being a war
zone, soldiers were shipped to the front, before a wedding could be
arranged, some soldiers not knowing if they would survive the war,
others not knowing at all, all kinds of impediments, like various
military regulations (Canadian troops were under British law during
the war, but the American were not), in addition, military personnel
had to have their commanding officer's permissions to marry, arrange
leave passes, etc.];

(2) we also have children that never emigrated to Canada; others that
did emigrate to Canada via "repatriation" [which is not recognized in
Canadian law apparently];

(3) ... the problem that arises, is the Canadian government itself did
the paperwork, first as the Minstry of Mines and Resources and then
under the Dept of Defence in 1944, paid the passage over; some early
cases came over to Canada on military hospital ships during the war
and the bulk after the end of the war, 1946 ... covering the period,
1942-1946 -- in all, some 44,000 war brides with 22,500 children ...
who ever heard of the 2,500 CORB children (Children Overseas Review
Board) sent very early in the war. 1939 -, to Australia, NZ, SA,
Canada, U.S. and most returned before 1942, everyone heard about them,
but this bigger group, virtually nil all part of the 4,000,000
evacuated during WWII in the UK;

(4) to continue, and then, we have another subset, those who stayed in
Canada for the remainer of their lives, and those who returned to the
UK, ("before" the lst Canadian Citizenship Act and "after" this Act).

We are making some headway, currently trying to contact those with
"born abroad" connections to Canada and there is a class of several
individuals currently before the court, not clear at what stage these
individuals are at, just going to court, had their day in court, still
to being researched.

We have done extensive research and would be able to make more
progress following the answer to our questions. Having limited access
to direct Canadian resources, being in the UK and few brief visits to
Canada, not to Ottawa itself, has not helped. We have used War Bride
websites for some queries but replies are few and far between, if at
all, <http://members3.boardhost.com/warbride/>. Looking for hints of
where next to go, has been a probably with our research too. Have
helped a few on the way ...like " Bowden/Gibert" find his father.

If further questions arise, we would again post answers for "cath-ga"
attention only. (assuming that you are still interested enough in this
topic to continue -- and good luck with your op.) Once again thank you
for your efforts to date.

Request for Question Clarification by cath-ga on 08 Jul 2003 11:20 PDT
Hi fairfield,

Thanks for the added information and for the kind words.

I will pursue these two bits of info, and would be interested
in any further questions you might have. My surgery has
been postponed 'til August, so hopefuly I will get some
e-mailed responses for you by then. Sincerely, cath-ga

Clarification of Question by fairfield-ga on 09 Jul 2003 09:54 PDT
Hi cath-ga,

We wish you luck with the awaited responses to your emails.
I am still waiting for the courtesy of even an acknowledgement to my
letter of March 31st to the Immigration Minister of Canada despite an
email follow up in the middle of May. No reply to that either!

That seems to be it until you do get any replies but we will certainly
be thinking of any other aspects of the "Nationality" clarification
that you might be able to help us with and will post any such
questions for your attention - we will prefix any such question with
"Canadian Nationality"

Hoping for some good news soon

fairfield-ga
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Subject: Re: Canadian Nationality
Answered By: cath-ga on 24 Jul 2003 16:54 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Dear fairfield,

with just 22 hours left to go ‘til your question expires, I believe 
I have the answer! Hope this will help.

I received an e-mail back today from the Canadian National Archives.
Here is part of it:

“please be advised that the WWII National Registration files came 
into force under the National Resources Mobilization Act (War Measures 
Act for WWI),and are now held in the custody of Statistics Canada. 

While you should be able to readily obtain additional information 
concerning the acts on the internet under their above mentioned 
formal names, and in secondary published sources, should you be 
interested in some generalinformation and the means of contact for 
Statistics Canada to obtain copies of historical national 
registration files, please visit Statistic Canada's
web-site at the following address:

http://www.statcan.ca/english/IPS/Data/93C0006.htm .  “

I went to that site, and found that they charge you $45.15 if you want
them to search for someone “for genealogical purposes.”  Some of 
Statistic Canada’s information is available on CD-ROM and
in print, but the page on the National Registration File didn’t
mention that. It’s certainly worth asking about…I didn’t have
time because I wanted to answer your question before it 
expired.

If you decided to have someone in Canada go to search for you,
the address is:

Statistics Canada
120 Parkdale Avenue
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0T6

The e-mail and phone info is:

E-mail: infostats@statcan.ca
Telephone (Canada and the United States only):
Telephone lines are open 8:30a.m. to 4:30p.m. in each of Canada's 
time zones
	1 800 263-1136 - Toll-free general enquiries line 
	1 800 267-6677 - Toll-free products and services sales line 
	1 800 363-7629 - National TTY line (teletype machine) 
	1 877 287-4369 - Toll-free fax number 
Telephone (outside Canada and the United States): 
8:30am to 4:30pm Eastern Time (-5 Universal Standard Time) 
	1 613 951-8116  


The archivist and the Canadian Archives who answered me would be 
happy to answer any further of  your questions. Here is his contact 
info:
 
Michael MacDonald
Reference Archivist
Tel: (613) 996-8722
mdMacDonald@archives.ca

In answer to the second part of your question: which authority 
instituted the National Registration File of 1940 I found that on 
”Important Moments in Canadian History,” a page on the Okanagan 
University College website at:

http://www.ouc.bc.ca/fiar/his_1945.html

And the answer is….(drumroll!!!)

“1940
… PARLIAMENT passes the controversial National Resources Mobilization 
Act (June),…”  (The NRMA included the National Registration File.)

I hope this answers your question, Fairfield. If there’s anything 
I left out or is unclear, please don’t hesitate to ask me to 
“Clarify Question,” before you rate this answer. 

Good luck in your searching!

cath-ga

Search Strategy:

Canadian Nationality Registry
World War II Nationality Registry
Canadian High Commission London
Canadian National Archives

Request for Answer Clarification by fairfield-ga on 25 Jul 2003 05:26 PDT
Sorry cath-ga

We don't think you have found the correct answer to our question.
Possibly you have been lead down a false path by the Archivist Michael 
McDonald. We particularly wanted details of the Registry of Canadian
Servicemens' children (0 - 5 years) born abroad during WWII. The Registers 
you have found relate to the possible mobilization of Canadian Nationals
for war service. You refer to an Act of 1940 whereas the one we are after
was dated 1943 with a backdated clause to include any such children already
born at that time.

We really do appreciate your efforts but....

Clarification of Answer by cath-ga on 25 Jul 2003 18:36 PDT
Hi fairfield,

So sorry!!!  I was so excited that the archivist answered me within
your deadline... I will wait unti his genealogist gets back to me
with the real info, and then get back to you right away. We
will get to the bottom of this! cath-ga
fairfield-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
Very pleased with the answer given - not the full detail but
excellent progress in the time allowed. Although the information
provided to cath-ga by the authorities was misleading it has pointed
us in the right direction. Thank you cath-ga

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