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Q: Getting unbanned on google. ( Answered,   1 Comment )
Subject: Getting unbanned on google.
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: michael888-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 06 Jul 2003 20:34 PDT
Expires: 05 Aug 2003 20:34 PDT
Question ID: 225902
How can I satisfy the google search engine so that my website does not have a page rank of zero - i.e.
effectively banned. How can I make changes so that my website will not
be filtered out of the results. Many people like my site, it has
hundreds of relevant pages and gets lots of traffic from MSN and
others, but somewhere, without knowing it, I must have done something
google does not like. I want to know how to rectify it, so I can get
some results again.
Subject: Re: Getting unbanned on google.
Answered By: aceresearcher-ga on 07 Jul 2003 21:27 PDT
Greetings, michael888!

Most Search Engines, especially Google, are quite secretive about
their inner workings, so it is not possible for anyone to say for
*sure* why your site was dropped from their index.
However, I feel that I can say with a great degree of certainty that
the reason your site
was dropped from Google's Index was the fact that you have several
nearly identical sites at

According to "Google Information for Webmasters - Webmaster
"- Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects... 
 - Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with
substantially duplicate content."
So, you need to decide which URL you want to keep as your main URL.
Post a marking page on each of the other URLs that says "Please visit
our main site at " with the URL as a
clickable hyperlink (DON'T make this an automatic redirect!!!). Be
sure to notify any sites that have links to those secondary URLs to
change them to .
Then, write to Google at , admit your mistake, beg
forgiveness, and ask them to please reinstate your site. Here's a
sample groveling letter you can use if you wish:
Dear Google,  
I am the owner of
I did not realize that creating duplicate sites was a bad thing that
would get me banned from Google.
I have now seen the error of my ways, and I apologize profusely. I
have removed my duplicate sites, and I promise not to make this
mistake again.
I am asking you to Please Consider reinstating my website, , into Google's Index.
Michael Fackerell  
Bear in mind that there is NO guarantee that you will be reinstated,
or how long it will take for you to be reinstated.
Before Rating my Answer, if you have any Questions about the above
information, please post a Request for Clarification, and I will see
what I can do for you.
Best Wishes on a speedy reinstatement to the Google Index, and
increased traffic to your website!

Request for Answer Clarification by michael888-ga on 07 Jul 2003 22:27 PDT
Hi, yes, there is some duplicated content, but the domain
has almost completely different content, except for some common help
pages which relate to the software inlingza, which is a content
management system.

Does this mean that I can't use the content management system and get
listed on google, or that I must ensure that the help pages are not
included. i.e. one common file of any nature is enough to get my site

Also, this banning happened to BEFORE I
implemented this particular content management system on my other
sites and before the other sites had common content. I actually
created most of them BECAUSE was banned and I
could not get an answer from

So while this has told me something I must do to have any chance (lots
of work and coding) it doesn't help me to see why my domain was banned
in the first place. Nor can I see ALL I need to do to get unbanned.
But still your answer has told me things I MUST do if I want to have a
chance at getting my content out through google.

Also, the content management system works by processing the URL and
looking up a database. It might amount to a redirect in some cases.
For example, is the page
itself as a URL considered to be a sneaky redirect? If not, then I
could solve the problem by changing the code and making resolve to a static introductory page.
What do you think?

Clarification of Answer by aceresearcher-ga on 08 Jul 2003 09:25 PDT
Hello again, Michael!

Did the change in the website's Page
Rank occur shortly after implementing the Inlingza system? When did it

When did you contact Google about it?

The last snapshot of this site on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine
is from June 5, 2002.
When did you change the site to look as it appears now?

Using a WhoIS lookup, I can see that your Christian Faith website was
registered on 05-Jul-1999:

The Spiritual Warfare site was registered on 1-Jul-2000:

The Divine Healing site was registered on 23-May-2000:

The Miracle Stories site was registered on 27-May-2000, and was pretty
much a duplicate of the Divine Healing site:

The Spiritual Warfare site was registered on 1-Jul-2000: was registered on 16-Nov-2002 was registered on 02-Jun-2003 

If you can provide me with the Answers to these questions, we may be
able to pinpoint the cause of your problem.



Request for Answer Clarification by michael888-ga on 14 Jul 2003 17:48 PDT
I made the changes to the look of in late
February, 2003. Before I made these changes, the site was already
banned, probably had been for around a year.

I wrote to on the 8th of April, 2003, seeking
clarification but didn't hear back. used to get google traffic, until I changed it
from phpnuke to inklingza format, as phpnuke was clumsy and actually
got hacked, being an older version. was never owned by me, but rather by the author of
inklingza, Nigel Chapman.

I suppose I should work on removing duplicate pages between sites, but
it is hundreds of hours of volunteer work, with no guarantee of
success. I am providing a free information service and many appreciate
it, its just a shame that I have to spend so much time hoping to get
listed in google instead of helping people who write me, and creating
fresh content for my sites.

The more precise info I get from yourself, the better chance I have of
not wasting this time. So thanks for any clarification you can


Clarification of Answer by aceresearcher-ga on 15 Jul 2003 11:26 PDT
Hi, Michael!

I haven't been able to work on Google Answers for a couple of days,
but do want you to know that I just checked in and saw your request,
and I *will* respond to it (it may take me a couple of days.)

Thanks for your patience,


Clarification of Answer by aceresearcher-ga on 16 Jul 2003 21:11 PDT
Hello again, Michael!

As far as the Inklingza Content Management System goes, it may indeed
cause the Googlebot problems in indexing your sites. During my
investigations, however, it looked like your other sites which also
use this system weren't having any problem -- unless you had
implemented it on those sites only quite recently, and so it hadn't
yet had any effect on their indexing in Google.

Right now, neither the Googlebot or other Search Engine Spiders have
really been developed to work well with Content Management Systems.
While CMSs are neat, to be honest, unless a site has literally
thousands of pages, they really aren't necessary -- and I personally
wouldn't want to use one until the Search Engine Spidering Technology
catches up enough to be able to handle them well.

I *would* like to clarify for you that Google Answers Researchers are
independent contractors for Google *Answers*. We are in no way
affiliated with, or employees of, the Google Search Engine. We have no
power or authority to recommend that sites be added to, or removed
from, Google's Index, nor do we have the power to reinstate sites that
have been penalized for rules infractions.

What we *can* do is provide to webmasters who ask, advice on how the
Googlebot's algorithms work, based on the information provided to the
public by Google, and based on knowledge we have gleaned from the
Internet. One of the resources that I rely on frequently to keep my
existing information up-to-date -- as well to add to my knowledge --
is the WebMasterWorld Forums at
These forums are used by webmasters -- who spend a GREAT deal of time
experimenting with Search Engine Optimization techniques and testing
their theories about how the Googlebot's algorithms work -- to
congregate and share information.

The bottom line is that the Googlebot doesn't care how, when, or why,
you may have developed sites with duplicate information. All it knows
is that it perceives two or more sites which appear to have a great
deal of content in common as attempts to "trick", or "spam" Google,
and it penalizes those sites accordingly.

In order to keep the Googlebot from deciding that your sites are
duplicates, you will need to do one of two things:
1) Work very hard to change the text content (not just the visual
layout) so that all your sites are very different, or
2) Combine all your sites into one powerful, effective site, and
concentrate on getting all the links to all your sites to point to
that one site. This is the option that I recommend, because having
numerous other pages with Page Rank of 4 or higher which link to your
site will aggregate all that Page Rank to your one site, rather than
giving a little rank to one of your sites here and a little rank to
another of your sites there.

I also recommend the second option because with this method, you will
be a lot more likely to get your site reinstated using the e-mail
letter I provided to you earlier, than if you try to convince the
Powers-That-Google that all your sites are different enough to warrant
them all being included in Google's Index.

However, the choice is ultimately up to you. Whichever course you
decide to follow, I wish you all the best in getting your site
re-indexed in Google, and hope that you will be showing up in Google
Search Results again very soon.

Best Wishes,

Subject: Re: Getting unbanned on google.
From: dogbreath-ga on 24 Aug 2003 17:54 PDT
What a great answer by Aceresearcher-ga.  Very useful to a lot of us.  Well done.

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