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What color is the grass at night?
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: bonzo-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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20 Apr 2002 02:40 PDT
Expires: 27 Apr 2002 02:40 PDT Question ID: 2266 |
Variant #1: What color is the grass at night-- green or black? Is an object's color defined by the wavelength of the light it reflects in ambient lighting conditions, or is the color defined by the light it reflects when bathed in a source of white light? Variant #2: Am I really a white man by day and a black man by night? |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
Answered By: drdavid-ga on 20 Apr 2002 12:55 PDT Rated: |
Your question can be approached in different ways. If you wish to view color as a property of the surface of a particular object, independent of a human viewer, then your first definition is consistent with common scientific descriptions of color. Color depends both on the illumination and the reflection characteristics of the surface. Objects can change color with illumination. You can see this readily, for example, in the apparent change in color that occur when you walk under sodium vapor streetlights. A more subtle demonstration can be made in comparing the appearance of certain paint or ink colors (pigments and dyes, generally) under, say, fluorescent, incandescent and daylight illumination. There are certain metamerism effects where two colors will appear identical in one kind of illumination and different under another. The situation is really more complex than that, however. Perceived color also depends on how the eye and brain process the light coming into the eye. There are, for example, additional apparent color changes that can occur as a function of the color of surrounding objects as demonstrated by the famous Mondrian experiments of Edwin Land. But, I think the correct answer to your question really has more to do with how the perception of color changes in low-light conditions. What happens to the perception of color as you reduce the illumination level without changing anything else? (Night implies [at least to me] low light, not no light--there is almost always some light.) This brings us to how night vision works in humans. The human eye distinguishes color using a set of three receptor types (cones) with peak sensitivities in the red, green and blue respectively. These are used to see color under bright ambient light. They provide good spatial and color resolution, but are not sensitive enough to provide useful vision at night. There is a separate set of receptors (rods) with much higher light sensitivity. There is only one set of these in the human eye with a peak response in the green. The net result is that as you lose the information from the cones and use only the rods to see, the brain can no longer distinguish colors. Since this is an everyday phenomenon, most people dont interpret the change as a change in color. They may not even be aware that color information has been lost. They just know its dark. If pushed, though (say, by artificially constructed tests), people will usually describe low-light scenes as having no color at all. The scene becomes only shades of gray. Thus perhaps, the best answer to your Variant #1 is that the color of grass at night is neither green nor black, but rather gray. The answer to Variant #2 similarly depends on a definition of terms. If by white and black you want to identify racial groups, then, in most cases, you can argue that the identification would not change. There are enough characteristic racial features besides skin color to continue to provide good cues for racial identification in low-light conditions (although misidentifications in ambiguous cases may become more numerous). If you mean specifically skin color, you may have more difficulty distinguishing small differences, but you would still be able to distinguish easily between the color of, say, a very pale Nordic hand and a deep ebony Central African hand, because the relative reflection of light from the skin compared to surrounding features (such as clothing) would still be noticeably different. For further reading on the fascination subject of color vision in humans, I suggest the following on-line resources: The Human Eye, by Dr. John W. Kimball http://www.ultranet.com/~jkimball/BiologyPages/V/Vision.html (good general discussion of rods and cones and how the eye works in general) Color Science (a web page from IBM Research) http://www.research.ibm.com/image_apps/colorsci.html (describes metamerism in detail) Measuring the colours we perceive, by Daniele Marini and Ludovica Marini, Science Tribune, October 1997 http://www.tribunes.com/tribune/art97/mari.htm (a good introduction to color constancy and color illusions including Lands experiments) |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: zaprobo-ga on 20 Apr 2002 04:11 PDT |
Bonzo, An interesting question. However, aside from the technical explaination (that you have already touched upon) it eventually comes down to an individuals perception of colour. As a rule, it is likely that the majority of the populace would believe that grass is, indeed, green, there are exceptions (http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/8018/Defects.html) and those who think laterally (a term coined by one Edward DeBono [http://www.edwdebono.com/]), or question reality (http://www.heise.de/tp/english/special/vag/6037/7.html) may think differently. Other sources for the nature of colour: http://www.colormatters.com/ http://library.thinkquest.org/13405/color/what.html |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: herman-ga on 20 Apr 2002 08:17 PDT |
It doesn?t have any colour actually. The cells in your eyes are not able to function right in dim light conditions. So we know the grass is green because we have seen it in daylight. But in the night their is not enough light to make our eye cells perceive the colour. In dim light conditions your eyes can only perceive outlines of objects and cannot sense the colour. That is why the grass doesn't have any colour in the night. |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: grimace-ga on 20 Apr 2002 08:31 PDT |
My girlfriend has a dress which shimmers from red to green, depending on the angle it's viewed at, the light source, and so on. What colour is it *really*? Red or green? John Locke - the seventeenth century philosopher - argued that objects have two different classes of quality - primary and secondary. Primary qualities are those which are fixed, like size and movement; secondary qualities are those which depend on perception - the smell of an object, its sound, its colour and so on. Different people may perceive these secondary qualities in different ways on different occasions - if I have a bad cold, for example, a rose will smell very different. Similarly, in a darkened room I might conclude that the grass, or my girlfriend's dress, is pitch black. Locke's conclusion was that objects do not in themselves possess these secondary qualities, but that they are produced by the fact that we interact with the objects. The grass, then, is neither green or black - it has no colour, but it *does* have the power to produce the effect, if it comes into contact with a viewer, or producing greenness or blackness. |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: drgonzo-ga on 20 Apr 2002 14:38 PDT |
An excellent two volume set of recent philosophical and scientific studies of color: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0262024241/qid=1019338480/sr=8- 1/ref=sr_8_1_1/104-9555274-9263158 |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: mikepake-ga on 22 Apr 2002 18:09 PDT |
Hi Bonzo, This reminds me of the old Zen Koan "If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is there to hear it, does it still make a sound?" but your question is an interesting twist in that it is the light that is changing, not the presence of a person. Sir Isaac Newton (referring to his experiment in splitting light with a prism) said that: "For the Rays to speak properly are not coloured. In them there is nothing else than a certain Power and Disposition to stir up a Sensation of this or that Colour." (Sir Isaac Newton, Opticks, 1730) See http://www.cis.rit.edu/people/faculty/montag/vandplite/pages/chap_15/ch15p1.html for the full quotation, and a lot more. According to this view, grass, or the light it reflects, is not coloured - colour is our interpretation of light. We can never be sure of how another person perceives a colour and a colour-blind individual obviously has a different range of perception from ourselves. In fact, certain flowers have some visual patterns which cannot be perceived by humans at all but are attractive to bees. So do those patterns exist, or not? See http://spectacle.berkeley.edu/class/opt10/moy01.shtml for a nice comparison of a flower as seen by a human and by a simulated bee. |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: khammo01-ga on 10 May 2002 03:56 PDT |
It fully depends on how much light there is and what its source is, but if you're looking at grass by the light of the moon, I'd have to say it was 'blue'. The color sensors in your eyes can see BLUE best in low light settings. With low light, the entire environment would appear bluish - ever notice how they use blue filters on TV to simulate 'nighttime'? |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: james_z-ga on 18 Jul 2003 15:00 PDT |
there is an island in the ocean with a palm tree on it, nobody has ever been there, what colour are the leaves? the answer is they have no colour as for colour to exist as a concept you need 3 things a light source, an object and an observer. in the above case there is no observer. your example tends towards there is no or litle light soursc, therefore there is no or little refeltance of the incident light and so the object is corresondingly dark or invisible. |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: probonopublico-ga on 25 Nov 2004 00:23 PST |
An island in the ocean where NOBODY has ever been? Wow! Must visit. Could somebody provide the co-ordinates please? |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: timespacette-ga on 25 Nov 2004 06:50 PST |
Does this relate to the question: "If a man alone in the woods speaks, and his wife cannot hear him, is he still wrong?" http://www.physics.utoledo.edu/~ljc/wife.htm :-) ts |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: timespacette-ga on 25 Nov 2004 06:54 PST |
to quote: " Applying the psi function, the more vague the statement of the man, the greater the probability of his being correct. The narrower and more specific his utterance, the greater the likelihood of his being wrong. Also, the principle of complementarity assures us that if a man alone in the woods speaks, and his wife can not hear him, he is BOTH right and wrong--until he comes out of the woods." keep this in mind, guys . . . ts |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: timespacette-ga on 25 Nov 2004 06:59 PST |
Pro, that island exists somewhere between the hypothalamus and ye olde frontal lobes nice place to visit but . . . ts |
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Re: What color is the grass at night?
From: mrfixit1-ga on 06 Jan 2005 19:57 PST |
The color (reflected photons) is dependent on the wavelength of light that is the illumination source so the colour is what it is when you see it. on a planet with a blue sun the colour would be different than on earth, so the context of the colour is also in question. On earth grass is green during the day and black at night in the abcence of illumination, On PX136 my home planet Grass is pink. :-) |
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