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indefinite article rule
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: badabing-ga List Price: $5.12 |
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15 Jul 2003 12:06 PDT
Expires: 14 Aug 2003 12:06 PDT Question ID: 231320 |
hello kids, for all you armchair grammarians out there, gran's looking for a specific grammar rule as it applies to "a" and "an." we all know you use "a" with words beginning with consonants and "an" with words beginning with vowels/vowel sound. what I'm looking is at least three reputable reference sites that address the exception to this rule -- where "an" is used with words beginning with a consonant but which have a predominant vowel sound. for example, "will consider giving the patient *an* SSRI," "consider doing *an* MRI." these, however, are both acronyms examples. are there other exceptions to this rule not involving acronyms? please omit examples of words beginning with "h." thanks ever so much, GB |
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Re: indefinite article rule
Answered By: markj-ga on 16 Jul 2003 15:17 PDT Rated: |
Granny -- I hope that I correctly understood "Go, Baby" to refer to me as the "baby." So I am hereby transporting my comment into the answer box, with a thought on pinkfreud-ga's comment added at the end: Since I started the "Y" thing, I took it upon myself to browse through the seven pages of my American Heritage Dictionary to look for other candidates. Here are the nouns I found, which can take the indefinite article "an". I have thrown in an "X" word at the end. 1. Yggdrasil -- "The great ash tree that holds together earth, heaven, and hell by its roots and branches in Norse mythology." (Proper noun) Use in Sentence -- "Here is an Yggrasil.com 'Pointless poll': Which of these beers, judging solely by name, sounds like the most interesting to try? Delirium Tremens, Pirate Ale, Pranquester, Rogue Dead Guy, Skull Splitter, Spaten Lager, Wood Chuck Granny?" http://yggdrasil.net/ 2. ylem -- "A form of matter hypothesized by proponents of the big bang theory to have existed before the formation of the chemical elements." Use in Sentence -- "The Paracloud Crystal is an 'Ylem-featured product' at the Community Store at ylem.org": http://www.ylem.org/ 3. yquem -- "A sweet white wine from the Sauterne region of southwest France." Use in Sentence -- "Julie was so particular about what she drank that she insisted on an Yquem spritzer." 4. Ypres -- "See leper." (It turns out to be a town in Belgium, also known as Leper.) (Proper noun) Use in sentence -- "In Belgium, an Ypres tradition is its annual Cat's Festival." http://sepdata.virtualave.net/belgium1.html 5. ytterbia (or ytterbian oxide) -- "A soft, bright, silvery rare-earth element . . . ." Use in Sentence: "In an earlier paper, we reported on a small grid-connected thermophotovoltaic system consisting of an ytterbia mantle emitter and silicon solar cells with 16% efficiency (under solar irradiance at Standard Test Conditions (STC)." http://people.web.psi.ch/palfinger/2002-rome-tpv-durisch.pdf 6. yttria (or yttrium oxide) -- "A silvery mettallic element, not a rare earth, but occurring in nearly all rare-earth minerals, used in various mettalurgical applications . . . ." Use in Sentence: "The aim of this research is to exploit the microstructural modifications brought about during preparation of an yttria-stabilized zirconia (YSZ) in order to impact the material's performance when applied as a thermal barrier coating (TBC)." http://www.epscor.org/davis.html The only other word I can come up with that begins with a consonant, is not hyphenated, and takes the indefinite article "an" is "Xmas." The source for all of the words is the American Heritage Dictionary, Third Edition (1992). The source for the sentence examples are the websites cited, except that I made up the example about the wine spritzer. Finally, with regard to pinkfreud-ga's comment about "X-ray," I did not consider hyphenated words like "X-ray," "F-stop," "L-dopa" and many others to be true examples of qualifying nouns because they are compound words with their initial "word" being a letter of the alphabet. markj-ga | |
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I hear ya, markie-mark. granny put a lotta hours into this so she's familiar with the terrain. even signed up for a trial of xrefer {hey, there's one -- even if I backed into it!}, but it was of no real help. appreciate your bustin' your head against the wall though. wish I could pay all of you for your head wounds. as always, my undying thanks will have to do. |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: pinkfreud-ga on 15 Jul 2003 12:37 PDT |
Here's another exception to the rule: Whether one uses "an" or "a" is determined entirely by the sound that follows the article, because the only reason for using "an" is to prevent the vowel sound of "a" from eliding into the vowel sound that begins the next word. That is why we use "a," not "an" before a word beginning with a long "u," because the word sounds as though it begins with a "y": a U.S. decision in favor of a unilateral strike On the other hand, if the word begins with a short "u", then that is a vowel sound, so the word would be preceded by "an": an unlikely story an unworthy opponent http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/acronyms.html With the exception of acronyms and abbreviations which begin with a vowel sound (such as "an FBI agent"), I haven't found any other descriptions of the propriety of using "an" rather than "a" before a word beginning with a consonant. I can't think of a common English word that begins with a consonant, yet has the initial sound of a vowel. There are trade names such as "Xtra", of course. Would words starting with 'Y' be considered? As usual, you ask some of the most interesting question, Gran. |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: badabing-ga on 15 Jul 2003 13:02 PDT |
yep, y-words are fine. I just have plenty of h-word examples on this already. thanks for the long/short "u" example. I can definitely use that one. |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: genki2-ga on 15 Jul 2003 13:42 PDT |
I'm not a researcher but maybe these examples will help you or a researcher find what you need. a one-pound coin a unit of blood a university degree a European cafe |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: voila-ga on 15 Jul 2003 14:48 PDT |
Here's a bit on the acronym rule: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/library/Grammar/Acronyms.html "Some letters of the alphabet take one form of "a" or "an" while words starting with it take the other. In the case of acronyms, the correct form of the indefinite article to use depends on whether people normally pronounce the acronym as a word or as a succession of individual letters: "An NBC news broadcast featured segments devoted to a NATO initiative in Bosnia and an NAACP effort to improve inner-city schools." And this article from CBS was interesting but heavy on the H-examples: http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/words/ananda.html |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: haversian-ga on 15 Jul 2003 21:41 PDT |
"we all know you use "a" with words beginning with consonants and "an" with words beginning with vowels/vowel sound." Not quite true. As pinkfreud noted, it is the sound, rather than the spelling, which determines the use of a or an. There are analagous situations in non-English languages, such as the Spanish "u" instead of "o" (the English word OR) when preceeding a word starting with the "o" sound, or "e" instead of "y" (the English word AND) when preceeding a word starting with the "y" (or "i") sound. "An FBI agent..." -> "an eff-bee-eye agent" 'an' preceeds the vowel sound 'eh' "A US decision..." -> "a yew-ess decision" 'a' preceeds the consonant sound 'yh' Thus the switch from "A Federal Bureau of Investigation agent" to "An FBI agent" |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: badabing-ga on 16 Jul 2003 08:24 PDT |
you are correct, senator, I'm looking for instances that break that basic rule -- preferably from a grammar site where there's terse phrasing and tons of examples. Xrefer used to do this the best, IMO, but they've now gone to a signup-type service that've not bothered with yet but I'd better soon. http://www.xrefer.com the acronym rule from the .gov site mentioned along with the long/short "u" sound rule, I can certainly use. but, just to clarify, I'm looking for instances that diverge from the standard. extra bonus if you can find a word beginning with a *consonant* (*besides* an "h" or an acronym) where an "an" immediately precedes it. I would tend to agree with Pinkie that there may be none but that's just our two minds saying that. I'd like someone to prove us wrong, if possible. I'm including these rules with examples in a memo, so the shorter the phrasing, the better. thanks for all your help with this, guys and gals! |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: markj-ga on 16 Jul 2003 08:56 PDT |
An Ypsilanti, Michigan native might suggest that his home town deserves to be mentioned here, although the "Y" is used as a vowel in this case. |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: badabing-ga on 16 Jul 2003 09:15 PDT |
great example, markj! that's exactly what I'm after. thank you! that will work perfectly for a proper name example. I suppose someone could go through the dictionary for any other y-words that would fit the bill. five would probably suffice. |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: markj-ga on 16 Jul 2003 11:26 PDT |
babading -- Since I started the "Y" thing, I took it upon myself to browse through the seven pages of my American Heritage Dictionary to look for other candidates. Here are the nouns, which could take the indefinite article "an". I have thrown in an "X" word at the end. 1. Yggdrasil -- "The great ash tree that holds together earth, heaven, and hell by its roots and branches in Norse mythology." (Proper noun) Use in Sentence -- "Here is an Yggrasil.com 'Pointless poll: Which of these beers, judging solely by name, sounds like the most interesting to try? Delirium Tremens, Pirate Ale, Pranquester, Rogue Dead Guy, Skull Splitter, Spaten Lager, Wood Chuck Granny?" http://yggdrasil.net/ 2. ylem -- "A form of matter hypothesized by proponents of the big bang theory to have existed before the formation of the chemical elements." Use in Sentence -- "The Paracloud Crystal is an "Ylem-featured product" at the Community Store at ylem.org": http://www.ylem.org/ 3. yquem -- "A sweet white wine from the Sauterne region of southwest France." Use in Sentence -- "Julie was so particular about what she drank that she insisted on Yquem spritzers." 4. Ypres -- "See leper." (It turns out to be a town in Belgium, also known as Leper.) (Proper noun) Use in sentence -- "In Belgium, an Ypres tradition is its annual Cat's Festival." http://sepdata.virtualave.net/belgium1.html 5. ytterbia (or ytterbian oxide) -- "A soft, bright, silvery rare-earth element . . . ." Use in Sentence: "In an earlier paper, we reported on a small grid-connected thermophotovoltaic system consisting of an ytterbia mantle emitter and silicon solar cells with 16% efficiency (under solar irradiance at Standard Test Conditions (STC)." http://people.web.psi.ch/palfinger/2002-rome-tpv-durisch.pdf 6. yttria (or yttrium oxide) -- "A silvery mettallic element, not a rare earth, but occurring in nearly all rare-earth minerals, used in various mettalurgical applications . . . ." Use in Sentence: "The aim of this research is to exploit the microstructural modifications brought about during preparation of an yttria-stabilized zirconia (YSZ) in order to impact the material's performance when applied as a thermal barrier coating (TBC)." http://www.epscor.org/davis.html The only other word I can come up with that begins with a consonant, is not hyphenated, and takes the indefinite article "an" is "Xmas." If this information turns out to be sufficient for your purposes, I would be honored to join the select company of those who have answered one of Granny's questions. If it is not, what the heck. markj-ga |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: badabing-ga on 16 Jul 2003 12:49 PDT |
go, baby! |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: carnegie-ga on 16 Jul 2003 12:52 PDT |
Dear Badabing, Markj mentions the Belgian town of Ypres, but this is more interesting than he claims. With its correct pronunciation (EE-pruh), "an" would, of course, be correct. But we should remember that the soldiers of the Great War fought a number of battles there, and the British among them, at least, tended to pronounce the name as if it were spelled "wipers": this pronunciation - still heard in appropriate contexts - would require "a". Carnegie |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: pinkfreud-ga on 16 Jul 2003 13:02 PDT |
As an example of a word beginning with a consonant, but with the sound of a vowel, how about "an X-ray"? |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: websearcher-ga on 16 Jul 2003 13:10 PDT |
Hi Granny! Following up on Pink's xellent xample, how about: "An xylophone"? websearcher-ga |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: pinkfreud-ga on 16 Jul 2003 13:13 PDT |
websearcher, When spoken, doesn't "xylophone" begin with a 'Z' sound? |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: websearcher-ga on 16 Jul 2003 13:18 PDT |
Hi Pink: Well, I've always heard it pronounced with a very slight "ex" before the more prominent "z" sound - so it makes more sence to me to use "an". However, that could be a "regional" thing, I admit. websearcher |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: badabing-ga on 17 Jul 2003 09:01 PDT |
yep, mj, twas what I meant. I'll be back to rate this over the weekend. gran's maxxed to the gills elsewhere at the moment. thanks for all the input, kids! |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: bowler-ga on 17 Jul 2003 14:49 PDT |
I agree with the comment by haversian. The letter 'X' is spelled "ecks" and words such as MRI and F-stop the letters are phonetically spelled out, so M="em" and F="ef". Therefore they begin with a vowel and are preceded by "an". Alternately a word such as "university" phonetically becomes "you-ni-ver-sitee" and has a consonent sound and is therefore precede by "a". |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: cryptica-ga on 18 Jul 2003 18:23 PDT |
My favorite is a snippet from Gilbert & Sullivan's "Pirates of Penzance:" "To rescue such an one as I, from his unfortunate position." I try to use it often. |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: badabing-ga on 26 Jul 2003 15:50 PDT |
this is as far as I got on the "rule" front... "We use a before singular count-nouns that begin with consonants (a cow, a barn, a sheep); we use an before singular count-nouns that begin with vowels or vowel-like sounds (an apple, an urban blight, an open door). Words that begin with an h sound often require an a (as in a horse, a history book, a hotel), but if an h-word begins with an actual vowel sound, use an an (as in an hour, an honor). We would say a useful device and a union matter because the u of those words actually sounds like yoo (as opposed, say, to the u of an ugly incident). The same is true of a European and a Euro (because of that consonantal "Yoo" sound). We would say a once-in-a-lifetime experience or a one-time hero because the words once and one begin with a w sound (as if they were spelled wuntz and won)." http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/determiners/determiners.htm There are two types of nouns: countable and non-countable. Countable nouns are nouns that can have a number in front of them. (see examples) Noncouuntable nouns are nouns that have no plural form. We cannot put a number in front of them. (see examples) ü a is used before the first mention of a singular countable noun that begins with a consonant sound. ü an is used if the singular countable noun begins with a vowel sound. If there are adjectives between the indefinite article and the noun, use the sound of the adjective nearest the article to determine whether a or an should be used. Most words that begin with a vowel sound also begin with a vowel letter. However, there are some exceptions, and those exceptions mostly occur with words that begin with h or u. (see examples) http://www.bergen.cc.nj.us/library/learning/english/handouts/articlerules.htm on the "h" and stressed/unstressed dilemma: http://www.scribe.com.au/tip-w005.html http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/historical.html some recent rules additions: "Is it a FAQ or an FAQ? If you say "fack," use "a". If you say "eff-ay-cue," use "an". Such recent terms do not have a single, standard pronunciation. For a report on how people say FAQ, URL, and so on," see: http://www.onelook.com/survey_results.shtml "Consider whether the abbreviated form is pronounced or spelled when using the indefinite article a or an before it. For example, the acronym SQL is pronounced "sequel," not "S-Q-L." So "a SQL application" (not "an SQL application") is correct. Likewise, write "an MGraphic object" (not "a MGraphic object")." http://pcroot.cern.ch/TaligentDocs/TaligentOnline/DocumentRoot/1.0/Docs/books/SG/SG_5.html |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: markj-ga on 26 Jul 2003 16:14 PDT |
Thanks a lot, you who is yclept Granny. I most ywis look forward to meeting up with you again. If you'll excuse me, it's 7 PM here and time for my evening Yquem. markj |
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Re: indefinite article rule
From: badabing-ga on 26 Jul 2003 16:54 PDT |
you betcha, mr. smartykins! ran onto a ditty at this website http://www.foundmagazine.com/audio.html and thought of ya. me singing the weather is... stacey from the line avon minisure ypsilanti all-starz take 'er easy, doll, granny |
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