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Subject: What does "without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing" mean?
Category: Relationships and Society > Law
Asked by: fjk-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 17 Jul 2003 14:37 PDT
Expires: 16 Aug 2003 14:37 PDT
Question ID: 232189
What does "without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing" mean
in an Act of Parliament?

EXAMPLE

"personal information" means information about an identifiable
individual that—

( a ) would, in the ordinary course of events, be known only to the
individual or members of the family, or friends, of the individual, or

( b ) is held by a public body on the understanding that it would be
treated by it as confidential,

and, without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, includes—

(i) information relating to the educational, medical, psychiatric or
psychological history of the individual,

(ii) information relating to the financial affairs of the individual,

(iii) information relating to the employment or employment history of
the individual,

(iv) information relating to the individual in a record failing within
section 6 (6) (a),

(v) information relating to the criminal history of the individual,

(vi) information relating to the religion, age, sexual orientation or
marital status of the ndividual,

(vii) a number, letter, symbol, word, mark or other thing assigned to
the individual by a public body for the purpose of identification or
any mark or other thing used for that purpose.

(viii) information relating to the entitlements of the individual
under the Social Welfare Acts as a beneficiary (within the meaning of
the Social Welfare (Consolidation) Act, 1993) or required for the
purpose of establishing whether the individual, being a claimant
(within the meaning aforesaid), is such a beneficiary,

(ix) information required for the purpose of assessing the liability
of the individual in respect of a tax or duty or other payment owed or
payable to the State or to a local authority, a health board or other
public body or for the purpose of collecting an amount due from the
individual in respect of such a tax or duty or other payment,

(x) the name of the individual where it appears with other personal
information relating to the individual or where the disclosure of the
name would, or would be likely to, establish that any personal
information held by the public body concerned relates to the
individual,

(xi) information relating to property of the individual (including the
nature of the individual's title to any property), and

(xii) the views or opinions of another person about the individual,

but does not include—

(I) in a case where the individual holds or held office as a director,
or occupies or occupied a position as a member of the staff, of a
public body, the name of the individual or information relating to the
office or position or its functions or the terms upon and subject to
which the individual holds or held that office or occupies or occupied
that position or anything written or recorded in any form by the
individual in the course of and for the purpose of the performance of
the functions aforesaid,

(II) in a case where the individual is or was providing a service for
a public body under a contract for services with the body, the name of
the individual or information relating to the service or the terms of
the contract or anything written or recorded in any form by the
individual in the course of and for the purposes of the provision of
the service, or

(III) the views or opinions of the individual in relation to a public
body, the staff of a public body or the business or the performance of
the functions of a public body;
******************************************************

Does it mean that anything which falls into any of (i) to (xii) IS
deemed to be "personal information", no other tests to be applied; and that (a)
or (b) are there to cover other cases that are not covered by (i) to
(xii)?


Or even though the information falls into any (i) to (xii), must (a)
or (b) then be applied on top of any of (i) to (xii)?
Answer  
Subject: Re: What does "without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing" mean?
Answered By: richard-ga on 17 Jul 2003 15:10 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Hello and thank you for your question.

It is common in legal writing to state a general rule and then to
elucidate with more specific examples.  But that creates a negative
pregnant - - an implication that the general rule isn't really so
general.

Suppose I said "No animals shall be allowed on the train, and no cats
or dogs."
You might bring your goldfish on the train, arguing that my no-animal
rule was intended to keep large misbehaving mammals off the train, and
not quiet little fish.

But what if I said ""No animals shall be allowed on the train, and,
without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, no cats or
dogs."

Then since your goldfish is an animal you can't use the "cats or dogs"
clause to argue that goldfish are not banned.

So in the statute that you quote, information about an identifiable 
individual that— 
 
( a ) would, in the ordinary course of events, be known only to the 
individual or members of the family, or friends, of the individual, or
 
( b ) is held by a public body on the understanding that it would be 
treated by it as confidential, 

is within the scope of the statute, even if it is not one of the
enumerated items described in (i) through (xii).  It is nonetheless
personal information covered by the statute.

------------

Sometimes, draftspeople use the same phrase to precede an inconsistent
or ancillary provision, i.e.

"No animals shall be allowed on the train, and, without prejudice to
the generality of the foregoing, no bicycles too."

or

"Without prejudice to the generality of so much of subsection (1)
above as enables different notices to be served thereunder in relation
to different parts of a trade or business, separate notices may be
served under that subsection as respects the transactions carried on
at any branch or branches respectively specified in the notices, and
any such separate notice shall, if served on the manager or other
person in charge of the branch or branches in question, be deemed to
have been duly served on the person carrying on the trade or business;
and where such a separate notice is so served as respects the
transactions carried on at any branch or branches, any notice
subsequently served under the said subsection (1) on the person
carrying on the trade or business shall not be deemed to extend to any
transaction to which the said separate notice extends."
GUIDELINES FOR THE REWRITE 
http://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/rewrite/wayforward/tlra1.htm

That's poor usage, but it has the same effect - - it bars you from
using the second clause to limit the application of the first.

Search terms used:
"legal writing" "prejudice to the generality"


Thank you again for bringing us your question.  If you find any of my
answer unclear, please request clarification.  I would appreciate it
if you would hold off on rating my answer until I have a chance to
reply.

Sincerely,
Google Answers Researcher
Richard-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by fjk-ga on 17 Jul 2003 16:16 PDT
Thanks. That has been very helpful, indeed.

I need some clarification though on the other way round.

If say the information fell under (i) info relating to say the
educational history of the individual THEN that information IS
"personal information"? No need to apply any other test?

If say the information fell under (i) info relating to say the
educational history of the individual COULD (a) or (b) be used on top
of (i) to prevent the information being  deemed "personal
information"?

Clarification of Answer by richard-ga on 17 Jul 2003 19:04 PDT
It will only be "personal information" if it falls within (a) or (b).

For example, the list of Rhodes Scholars being regularly made public,
that information would not be "personal information" despite being
described in (i) because it is neither (a) ordinarily only known to
the student's family, nor (b) held confidential by Oxford on the
scholar's behalf.

Is that what you meant by your question?

Cheers,
-R

Request for Answer Clarification by fjk-ga on 18 Jul 2003 03:08 PDT
Yes, indeedy.

The phrase "without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing" had
me stumped. Google gave me every Act and Statute under the Sun
containing the phrase, but I couldn't find an explanation for it.

It is a bit confusing.

So if the info is in (i) to (xii) that is not enough, and (a) or (b)
must also applied as well?

Seems a bit superflous having a list if (a) or (b) covers all cases? 


What about (I) to (III) if info is in them could (a) or (b) be used to
make them "personal information"?

Clarification of Answer by richard-ga on 18 Jul 2003 04:32 PDT
I II and III are exceptions - - so for example the name of 
an individual providing a service for a public body under a contract
for services with the body will never be "personal information" even
if it would otherwise fall within (a) or (b)....

-R
fjk-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
Very good answer and clarifications. Easy to read and understand. Pertinent.
Very speedy replies.

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