Hi Skip9801 ~
I'm going to take your questions in reverse order, as addressing the
matter of frames is a bit more precise than figuring out how long
before it may take before your site may appear in Google's index.
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The Use of Frames
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Under "Reasons your site may not be included," Google addresses the
use of frames:
"Your page uses frames. Google supports frames to the extent that it
can. Frames tend to cause problems with search engines, bookmarks,
emailing links and so on, because frames don't fit the conceptual
model of the web (every page corresponds to a single URL). If a user's
query matches the site as a whole, Google returns the frame set. If a
user's query matches an individual page on the site, Google returns
that page. That individual page is not displayed in a frame -- because
there may be no frame set corresponding to that page."
- ://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html
Google further advises:
"If you are concerned with the description of your site as seen by
search engines, please read "Search Engines and Frames"." (referring
you to Danny Sullivan's Search Engine Watch Article, "Search Engines
and Frames", by Danny Sullivan, December 5, 2000)
- http://www.searchenginewatch.com/webmasters/article.php/2167901
And continues:
"It describes the use of the 'NoFrames' tag, which is used to provide
alternative content. If, instead of providing alternative content, you
use wording such as "This site requires the use of frames" or "Upgrade
your browser", then you are excluding both search engines and people
who use browsers with frames turned off. (For example, audio web
browsers, such as those used in automobiles and by the visually
impaired, typically do not deal with frames, which are a visual
mechanism.) You can read about NoFrames in the HTML standard here:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/frames.html#h-16.4 "
If you carefully follow the tutorials, the chances are your site will
be indexed, if not, it could be that your HTML precluded getting
indexed. Remember there are other ways of presenting your site as you
want it (such as the use of tables or cascading style sheets [CSS])
without risking some coding problem that may cause your site to not be
indexed.
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How Long Does It Take To Be Included?
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The length of time it can take to see your site listed in Google can
take as long as eight weeks.
Here's what Google says about what happens when you submit your
website using its "Add URL" page:
"Submission is not necessary and does not guarantee inclusion in our
index. Given the large number of sites submitting URLs, it's likely
your pages will be found in an automatic crawl before they make it
into our index through the URL submission form. We DO NOT add all
submitted URLs to our index, and cannot predict when or if they will
appear." (See "How Do I Get My Site Listed On Google?, 2. Submitting
your site")
- ://www.google.com/webmasters/1.html#A1
Please notice that Google advises, "The best way to ensure Google
finds your site is for your page to be linked from lots of pages on
other sites. Google's robots jump from page to page on the Web via
hyperlinks, so the more sites that link to you, the more likely it is
that we'll find you quickly."
Google further explains, "When a URL is submitted to Google, we look
for it in our next crawl. If you've already submitted your URL, your
site could easily appear in our new index, which will go up when the
current crawl is completed." And once again mentions external links TO
your page, "However, if no other site links to yours, it may be
difficult for our crawler to find you. Conversely, if many sites link
to your page, there is a good chance we will find you without your
submitting your URL."
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Google's Fresh Bot
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You may also notice that you were included in Google's index within a
day or two and then seem to disappear. This is usually due to a visit
from Google's "Freshbot". If you do notice this phenomenon, don't
panic or think something is wrong.
GoogleGuy (a real Google engineer who occasionally answers questions
and participates in discussions) explained the Freshbot in the
Webmaster World forum this way:
"If your site is new, or hasn't shown up in Google for long, it may
because our "fresh crawl" (which runs each day) was finding your site
instead of our main crawl (which runs about once a month). Our "fresh
crawl" is a newer feature, and we're still experimenting with which
pages to crawl, how deeply to crawl, etc. We even reserve the right to
(gasp!) not do a fresh crawl on some days because we're doing tests or
reviewing new code. Someone wrote in recently and said "my site got in
Google three weeks ago, and you've dropped me four times!" ;) Nope,
it's just that we don't always crawl the same pages in our fresh
crawl, and we don't always crawl to the same depth. As we do a full
crawl of the web, we find most of the sites from our fresh crawl and
put them in our regular index. My advice on our fresh crawl is to view
it as a nice "bonus" on top of Google's deep index. Users can always
search our full index, but sometimes we can serve up even fresher
pages as an extra nicety. :)
What does this mean for the average webmaster? In the word of the
great Hitchhiker's Guide, "Don't Panic." Just do the normal things you
should do:
1. Create a great site.
2. Submit your site to Google on our "add url" form.
3. Get a link from the Open Directory Project or other directories
(Yahoo, etc.).
4. Don't panic if your site takes a little while to show up in Google.
Be patient, and start to look around the web--there's lots of great
advice about improving your site for users and search engines." (See
the entire discussion, "Google listing disappeared after 2 weeks")
- http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/6339.htm
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What Else You Can Do To Get Listed In Google
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You may have noticed above that GoogleGuy recommended adding your site
to the Open Directory Project and other directories (Yahoo, etc.).
Google mentions this, too, under "What else can I do to get listed in
Google?":
"If you are having difficulty getting listed in the Google index, you
may want to consider submitting your site to either or both of these
directories. You can submit to Yahoo! by visiting
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/suggest/. You can submit your site to
Netscape's Open Directory Project (DMOZ) by visiting www.dmoz.org.
Once your site is included in either of these directories, Google will
often index your site within six to eight weeks."
- ://www.google.com/webmasters/1.html#why
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Google's Guidelines
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Prior to submitting the site, you might want to check Google's
Guidelines to make sure you meet their Design and Content Guidelines
and that you aren't engaging in any behavior that Google discourages.
The Guidelines can be found here:
- ://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html
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Other Search Engines & Directories
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There are other directories and search engines with which you may
and/or should also register your site. Jere Matlock of Words In A Row
has prepared a very comprehensive list of submission URLs to
directories and search engines, which was most recently updated June
24, 2003.
You may want to visit this page and submit or register your site with
others listed there. You can find this list here:
- http://www.wordsinarow.com/wheretogo.html
I realize this is more information than you requested; but it is
easier to make sure you have everything in good shape, including links
to your site, prior to submitting it than trying to make changes AFTER
it is submitted and in Google's index.
I trust this helped, and wish you all the best in your search engine
placement.
Regards,
Serenata |
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