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Subject: Seeking info on a non-profit I'm aiming to start
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Posted: 27 Jul 2003 09:33 PDT
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I am a board member of a small family foundation based in
Massachusetts and I am also a family member.  The board of trustees
consists of my two parents and my other three siblings.  I am
interested in starting a non-profit similar to the following:

www.tompaine.com
www.csmonitor.com
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.worldpress.org/

All of the above are non-profit web sites which focus on news, current
events and issues.  monitor and worldpress also have print versions
which are also non-profit.

The web site I’m thinking of doing would be more mainstream than
tompaine.com and commondreams, and would focus on current events from
an overall center-left perspective.  The orientation of the non-profit
I would create to run it would be educational providing information on
current events, the world, government, science, technology, the
environment and similar areas.

A family member or two might be interested in supporting the start-up
and each of us on the board- including myself - has a small
discretionary fund we can make grants out of, and I’m hoping we can
make grants towards this non-profit.  The foundation administrator is
somewhat conservative and doesn’t like to research the things I
outline below so I want to go to one or two of my siblings (and later
to him) with this information already clarified to make the process
smooth.  Also, while my siblings and one parent are likely to be very
much behind such a site, the other parent may have reservations. 
Generally speaking, everyone leaves each other’s discretionary choices
alone (the bulk of the money is given in common anyway) and approval
for them is not needed as long as such grants are charitable in
nature.

Still, since there is a chance of opposition and I have already spent
six weeks planning and researching the site, I want to become more
clear on a large number of the following and have information at hand
which supports what I’m aiming for.  Background information, similar
cases, and sites which address this will all be helpful.  If there are
gray areas, I can clarify those with a lawyer as needed though I
prefer to do much of the work myself since I have very little money
for this unless and until a grant occurs, and even then it will be
somewhat limited until the site is up and going and other people
support it.

Here’s some detail on the types of information I’m seeking:

a)  Under what circumstances can a family foundation donate to a
non-profit being started by a family member/trustee?  Are there any
conflict of interest rulings or statutes which place certain
limitations on this or prohibit it altogether?  I’m pretty sure it’s
allowed in some way, shape or form and want to find info confirming
this and describing any restrictions related to it.

b)  Can such a grant be used for the start-up costs of the non-profit,
including incorporating (which happens on the state level), applying
for 501 (c) (3) status (you have to apply to the IRS for this with
10-15 pages of paperwork and it normally takes them about a half year
to respond), part-time staffing (including myself), a web designer and
other related costs?  Since the chances are significant that the
non-profit would receive 501 (c) (3) tax-deductible status (though
there is a chance the IRS can deny it) yet it takes all told at least
7 months to achieve such status, can a foundation provide a grant for
those first months since it believes the non-profit’s purposes are
educational and charitable in nature and because it expects in good
faith the new non-profit will receive tax-exempt 501 (c) (3) status? 
We are not talking sizeable allocations and the total grant would
amount to only a half percent of the foundation’s annual giving.

In case it is helpful (and the Google instructions say to include all
I already know), I have what is known as the Declaration of Trust for
the charitable trust which runs our foundation with articles outlining
the broad aspects of how the trust will run.  It states that:

   ~ Distributions (grants) may be made “to or for the use of such
charitable organizations, within the meaning of that term as defined
in paragraph C.... or directly for such charitable purposes, within
the meaning of that term as defined in paragraph D... without making
use of any other charitable organization.”  This basically means that
grants can be made either to charitable organizations or directly to
everyday individuals or projects with charitable purposes.

Paragraph C states:  “It is intended that the organizations described
in this paragraph C shall be entitled to exemption from federal income
tax under section 501 (c) (3) of the Code.” Paragraph D states that
charitable purposes shall be limited to only religious, charitable,
scientific, literary, or educational purposes within the meaning of
those terms as used in section 501(c)(3) of the Code.”  That said, I
recall making a grant via the foundation a few years back to an
organization in a similar situation - it was not a non-profit and was
thinking about becoming one.  The foundation administrator said he
thought it  was okay for them to use the grant to start it up - hire a
lawyer and other steps, and if they during the process chose to not
become a non-profit - the money could be put toward something
charitable in nature or returned to the foundation.  Nevertheless, he
may have already forgotten this and he also works for the parent who
may have reservations, so I’d like to be prepared with good
information - IRS statements on the subject, articles or summaries
from legal sites or journals, or cases which are very close to this -
things that I can point to.

c)  Would my non-profit need a “fiscal sponsor” to receive the
donation on its behalf during this early time period?  A fiscal
sponsor is typically an existing 501-c-3 non-profit which receives the
donation (from a foundation or individual donor) and passes it along
to the non-profit which lacks the 501-c-3 status - acting as its
“fiscal agent.”  I’m guessing this is not required since the
foundation itself has 501-c-3 status it could in a sense be a fiscal
agent for the start-up.  Yet, due to the fact I’m a trustee, or
perhaps for some reason foundations are restricted from being fiscal
agents, maybe a fiscal agent will be needed.  Any info you locate
which clarifies any of these particulars would be helpful.

For an example of a news site which receives tax-deductible donations
through a fiscal agent, see
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FrequentlyAskedQuestionEn#donate.
 The challenge with fiscal agents is that they often charge 5% of the
total grant for their services and you often have to have a
relationship with them, since they are taking a risk in sponsoring you
(basically vouching for your charitable nature and activities at risk
of losing their own 501-3-c.

d)  Any information on highly similar educational non-profit sites and
what language they used with the IRS to obtain 501-c-3 status.

The closest one I’ve found might be mediachannel.org - see items 1, 8
and 9 of http://www.mediachannel.org/about/FAQ.shtml - b/c they
receive grants from numerous foundations and can receive
tax-deductible donations from the public written to mediachannel (i.e.
no fiscal agent), which most likely means they have 501-3-c status. 
Here is a link to the press release of its launch three years ago. 
They appear to be almost entirely web-oriented and are a separate
non-profit, unlike some below. It does, however, appear to share the
same address (575 8th Avenue, New York NY 10018) as one of the two
main foundations which launched it - the Global Center, so it may be
that someone on the board of the Global Center at the time, or closely
affiliated with it, was involved in founding mediachannel, which would
make it even more similar to my situation.

The Christian Science Monitor may relate though the fact they are a
large organization with probably multiple arms and more than one
non-profit entity may cloud the similarity.  Tompaine.com is a project
of the Florence Fund (see - http://www.tompaine.com/about.cfm) which
is a 501-c-3, which gets a lot of its funding from one foundation, the
Florence and John Schumann Foundation, and from what I can tell, there
are interconnections - quite likely family ones based on the
similarity in names of the two entities, so this might be a relevant
one to research.

World Press is run directly by the Stanley Foundation - see 
http://www.stanleyfoundation.org/about/index.html, which I believe
would make them an operating foundation - a legal term for a found.
that directly operates its own charitable activities and projects with
its money under the same legal umbrella, as opposed to making grants
to other organizations or individuals.  The non-profit I create to
publish the web site would be run separately from the foundation, so
the similarity may be lacking in this case.  Commondreams.org comes
somewhat close, yet it appears they are still applying for 501-c-3
status (http://www.commondreams.org/econtributor2.htm), so the info
may not be public and we won’t even know if their appl. was
successful.    I guess the two closest in similarity are mediachannel
and tompaine.com.

By similar “sites” I’m looking for sites which have a focus on current
events, with links to articles from other sites etc.  I’m not looking
for educational non-profit sites dedicated to physics,or
mountain-climbing etc.  It’s important that it be current events or
news or issues to show that such sites are not always for-profit
commercial sites (as some may assume).

e)  The “Declaration of Trust” also states:  “No part of the net
earnings of this trust shall inure or be payable to or for the benefit
of any private shareholder or individual,....” and later uses the
exact same statement with regards to monies donated to any charitable
organization. I’m not sure what is meant by “the benefit of” - whether
that means “the non-charitable benefit” or means “any benefit at all”.
 I’m guessing it means a charity can receive the money and pay its
employees for work done, yet the employees can’t benefit by getting
extra cash.  I also know for certain that we are able to make grants
to individuals, for example, to take a course at a university.  We
give them the money based on an understanding they will be using it
for an educational, charitable purpose - which in a sense is a
benefit, yet different from the “benefit,” for example, of buying a
TV.  This item is perhaps lowest priority of these 5 items.

If you happen to come across the names of any lawyers who are already
heavily versed in the above areas, particularly in the state of
Massachusetts, please include, though this is also of lower priority
since I have a few leads.

Since there are five areas above, I am not expecting significant
information on all of them.  I would be satisfied to receive a bunch
of information on three of the first four - like I said the fifth one
is pretty low priority - threw it in in case it’s an easy find or you
come across it.  My guess is that once I’m reading the info you
provide in three areas I’ll locate a link(s) which takes me to the
fourth area.

I also thought it best to include these in one listing since it’s very
likely some of the areas will overlap and once you’re in all the
non-profit web sites you’ll be closer to the various info.  I also
included lots of detail above per the Google tips so you’re aware of
what I know and am looking for and hopefully some of the specifics I
gave will increase the speed plus specificity of searches.  Feel free
to let me know if otherwise.
Answer  
Subject: Re: Seeking info on a non-profit I'm aiming to start
Answered By: richard-ga on 28 Jul 2003 15:13 PDT
 
Hello and thank you for your question.  I've tried to keep my answers
to your five-part question from being over-long or unduly confusing.

a)  Under what circumstances can a family foundation donate to a
non-profit being started by a family member/trustee?  Are there any
conflict of interest rulings or statutes which place certain
limitations on this or prohibit it altogether?
  
  The family foundation and the new non-profit are both subject to the
"inurement" limits that you note elsewhere in your question, i.e.,  no
part of the [trust fund] may inure or be payable to or for the benefit
of any private shareholder or individual.

  But that doesn't mean that the family foundation cannot donate to a
non-profit being started by a family member/trustee, so long as the
contributed funds are being used for a charitable purpose.  To
understand the proper scope of this limitation, take a look at
Intermediate Sanctions
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/legal/sanctions.html
Basically, what this is telling you that the shareholders/individuals
(generally, "disqualified persons") cannot receive any payment or
benefit beyond the value of services that they provide.  And a gift to
the non-profit for its proper charitable uses is no problem.

b)  Can such a grant be used for the start-up costs of the non-profit,
including incorporating (which happens on the state level), applying
for 501 (c) (3) status, part-time staffing (including myself), a web
designer and other related costs?

  That is the usual way to get a new non-profit organization underway,
particularly because it allows other donors the satisfaction of
knowing that their contributions are going to the 'real' charitable
recipients rather than to lawyers, etc.  But it's not a legal
requirement.

  "he American Boxer Charitable Foundation was founded in May 1995 by
a group of ABC members as a vehicle to raise money to fund medical
research and any other project that would improve the health and
welfare and ensure the future of our beloved breed -- the Boxer.
 ...
The American Boxer Club donated $5000 to the Foundation to be used as
"seed money." This money covered the organizational expenses (IRS
filing fees, legal expenses, etc.), and allowed all donations from
contributors to go directly for medical research rather than for
start-up expenses. Individual officers and committee members also
donated their time and postage and phone expenses to the foundation."
History and Goals
http://www.abcfoundation.org/about.html

c)  Would my non-profit need a “fiscal sponsor” to receive the
donation on its behalf during this early time period?

In the circumstance that you describe, the foundation will be the
fiscal sponsor for the new non-profit.
'A 501(c)(3) fiscal sponsor is a qualified 501(c)(3) organization that
acts as a fiscal "parent" for a particular program or initiative."
What is a 501(c)(3)?
http://www.philanthropycenter.org/503c3.html

d)  Any information on highly similar educational non-profit sites and
what language they used with the IRS to obtain 501-c-3 status.

It's important to focus your application (and actual acitivities) on
education rather than what might be seen as lobbying or other
political action.  Consider the following:

 Commonweal Institute
http://www.philanthropycenter.org/searchresults_detail.php?org_id=4578
 Foundation for Global Community
http://www.philanthropycenter.org/searchresults_detail.php?org_id=4239
 
I don't have a filled-in Form 1023 for you, but there is some useful
background information at
Nonprofit Legal Toolkit
http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec1.pdf

e)  The “Declaration of Trust” also states:  “No part of the net
earnings of this trust shall inure or be payable to or for the benefit
of any private shareholder or individual,....” and later uses the
exact same statement with regards to monies donated to any charitable
organization. I’m not sure what is meant by “the benefit of” - whether
that means “the non-charitable benefit” or means “any benefit at all”.
 
This is covered in my answer to (a) above.  In general a disqualified
person can still do business with the charitable entity, but only on a
value-for-value basis.
"The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of
private interests, such as the creator or the creator's family,
shareholders of the organization, other designated individuals, or
persons controlled directly or indirectly by such private interests.
No part of the net earnings of an IRC Section 501(c)(3) organization
may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. A
private shareholder or individual is a person having a personal and
private interest in the activities of the organization. If the
organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person
having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may
be imposed on the person and any managers agreeing to the
transaction."
Exemption Requirements
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=96099,00.html

Search terms used:
inure "disqualified person"
"501(c)(3)" "organizational expenses
"fiscal sponsor" foundation
inure site:irs.gov

I hope you find my answer helpful.  Obviously this is a complex and
technical field, and anyway I can only provide you with general
information, not intended to substitute for informed professional
advice.  If you find any of my answer to be unclear, please request
clarification.  I would appreciate it if you would hold off on rating
my answer until I have a chance to reply.

Sincerely,
Google Answers Researcher
Richard-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by nonprofitnews-ga on 07 Aug 2003 12:06 PDT
Hello Richard

Thanks for your research and there are a couple parts I want to
clarify and one link I can’t get the info from

In the link you gave for a), it says “The IRS indicates in the
proposed regulations that they may be relied on until final
regulations are published and that any provisions of the final
regulations that are more restrictive than the proposed regulations
will be effective prospectively only.”

This was in 1998 and I’m interested to know if such “final
regulations” have been published and how they might be different.


In section b) in response to “Can such a grant be used for the
start-up costs of the non-profit, including incorporating (which
happens on the state level), applying for 501 (c) (3) status,
part-time staffing (including myself), a web designer and other
related costs?,” you wrote:

‘That is the usual way to get a new non-profit organization underway,
particularly because...’

I’m aiming for something posted on a site (legal site, irs site,
journal etc.) or a few sites stating this is normal etc.  I like the
example though it would help me more to have something from a site
like I mentioned above saying it’s normal and deductible for
foundations to give startup seed money directly to new non-profit
outfits.

In section d) you wrote: “I don't have a filled-in Form 1023 for you,
but there is some useful background information at Nonprofit Legal
Toolkit http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec1.pdf

When I went to the link, it let me download a pdf that had pgs 1-26 of
the document yet the irs application-related info is on pages 71 plus
- there was a table of contents/menu of sorts on the left side of the
pdf and when i clicked on the heading there for the
federal/irs-related part (think it was section 6), I got the following
error message:
Not Found
The requested URL /resources/docs/legal_toolkit_sec6.pdf was not found
on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to
use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

At any rate, it looks like that’s where the useful info in this link
would be yet I need a way to get at it, either a different link or, if
you’re able to download that section, could you cut and paste the
relevant info (starting around page 71).

Many thanks,

Peter

Clarification of Answer by richard-ga on 08 Aug 2003 09:13 PDT
Hello again.  It looks like you're making good progress in this
complex field.

1.  You asked whether final regulations now exist.
Final regulation were issued in 2002.  You can review them at
http://www.unclefed.com/Tax-Bulls/2002/td8978.pdf
which describes how various comments on the temporary regulations were
handled and also has the full text of the final regs.

2.  You asked for something posted on a site (legal site, irs site,
journal etc.) stating that it is normal and deductible for
foundations to give startup seed money directly to new non-profit
outfits.
There are plenty of examples on the internet of tax-exempt foundations
providing seed money.  E.g.
://www.google.com/search?q=foundation+seed-money++proper&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&c2coff=1
Since foundations are themselves tax-exempt entities, the question
isn't whether the seed-money payment is deductible.  Rather the issue
is whether the seed-money grant is a proper expense under the
foundation's charter.
Therefore I suggest you read your foundation's charter and see what it
says about its purpose, etc.  I doubt you'll have a problem.

3. I see what you mean about
http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec1.pdf
 
Sections 2 through 9 of the document, corresponding to the table of
contents that appears on the left margin, can be accessed at
http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec2.pdf
http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec3.pdf
http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec4.pdf
http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec5.pdf
http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec6.pdf
http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec7.pdf
http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec8.pdf
http://www.texascbar.org/content/legal_library/nonprofit_management/downloads/legal_toolkit_sec9.pdf
 
Again, best of luck in your program and thanks for letting us help.

-Richard
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