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Subject:
Revenue recognition and Income in Advance accounting standards
Category: Business and Money > Accounting Asked by: brownienz-ga List Price: $50.00 |
Posted:
03 Aug 2003 14:25 PDT
Expires: 02 Sep 2003 14:25 PDT Question ID: 238571 |
How should we be recognising revenue for subscription based businesses, for example, the income in advance/liability issue? We provide services in New Zealand and Australia and at the moment, we book one twelth of the revenue in the month the sale is made (they are 12 month subscriptions)and the balance is then spread over the following 11 months until renewal when it starts again. The advance income shows in a liability account and reduces as each month passes or where the income is "earned". We believe we are stating this correctly however as our business grows, so does the liability, and I am really wondering just when our business will turn the corner so to speak. As an alternative to the above method, could/should we be reporting actual income made in the month of the sale (in full), and then moving it all to the liability account which reduces over the 12 month period. The accounting standards for New Zealand and Australia should be used where possible, if not, the UK should suffice, not sure about the US. |
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Subject:
Re: Revenue recognition and Income in Advance accounting standards
From: respree-ga on 06 Aug 2003 23:43 PDT |
Generally speaking, you should book income "as it is earned," regardless of when it is paid. It seems to me you are booking your revenue correctly, if I understand you right. Let's say $1,200 is paid in advance for one year. The entry would be: DEBIT Cash $1200 CREDIT Deferred Revenue (Liability) $1200 Then, each month, you amortize 1/12 of your Deferred Revenue and recognize it as revenue for the month. DEBIT Deferred Revenue $100 CREDIT Revenue (or Sales) $100 That's how we would book it in the U.S. Hope this information helps a little. |
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Re: Revenue recognition and Income in Advance accounting standards
From: raidx-ga on 13 Aug 2003 06:26 PDT |
What respree wrote is correct, and for what I can see that's the way you are already recognizing your revenue. We do it the same way in the U.S. There are two methods of accounting used in the U.S. One is the accrual (which you are properly using) and the other is the cash method (which I think has to do with the alternative method you are considering). The cash method allows you to recognize all of your revenue at the moment cash is received by you. Not as it's 'earned'. The two major disadvantages of cash accouting are 1) it will skew your income and the apparent performance of your company because you could sell a lot of subscriptions in one month and then have a couple of dry months. You will see wild peaks and valleys during the year in your income statement as a result. 2) In the U.S. the cash method of accounting will make you pay taxes at the moment you receive cash, instead of as you 'earn it'. Therefore accrual is sometimes a more advantageous choice from a tax perspective. Most large sophisticated business run on accrual. You'll find that cash basis is used mostly by sole propietorships and small businesses. Now I'm a little confused about the 'alternative' method you explain above. Is this what you are proposing?: To record sale: "could/should we be reporting actual income made in the month of the sale (in full):" DEBIT Cash $1200 CREDIT Revenue (or Sales) $1200 To "then moving it all to the liability account": DEBIT Revenue (or Sales) $1200 CREDIT Deferred Revenue (Liability) $1200 And then "which reduces over the 12 month period" DEBIT Deferred Revenue $100 CREDIT Revenue (or Sales) $100 I don't know what you would be accomplishing by this. If you look at entries #1 and 2, the Debit and Credits to Revenue for $1,200 pretty much cancel each other, so in the end you end up with the same transaction that respree-ga has below... I'll say, stick with what you are doing. It's the right way of doing it, even as your business grows. Hope that helps |
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Re: Revenue recognition and Income in Advance accounting standards
From: respree-ga on 13 Aug 2003 12:23 PDT |
Hi raidx: No, actually entries #1 and #2 don't cancel each other out. Entry #1 is a liability account, and entry #2 is a revenue account. As you receive cash, put it all on the balance sheet. Then amortize a percentage on a straight line basis over which the cash received benefits (in this example, one year). One the cash method is an acceptable method according to GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles), it presents a distorted view of the world for either a big or small company. As you said, the peaks and valleys. I would not recommend using this method for a company large or small. In short, I agree, stick to what you're doing. |
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Re: Revenue recognition and Income in Advance accounting standards
From: raidx-ga on 14 Aug 2003 06:56 PDT |
respree, Actually what I meant by cancelling out was that if you take entry #1 and #2 in my example and remove the Dr and Cr to the Revenue account, then we end up with entry #1 in your example so there's no reason to do the additional work Brownienz is suggesting :) |
Subject:
Re: Revenue recognition and Income in Advance accounting standards
From: respree-ga on 14 Aug 2003 09:25 PDT |
raidx: Sorry, I thought you were talking to me, not raidx. Of course, you are right. brownienz's 'alternative' treatment, while it comes out to the right answer, creates an unnecessary entry. My policy - Least amount of entries is best (with proper audit trail, of course). |
Subject:
Re: Revenue recognition and Income in Advance accounting standards
From: respree-ga on 14 Aug 2003 09:26 PDT |
sorry, that should have read "...talking to me, not brownienz" |
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