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Subject:
Purchasing Computer Based Music Workstation
Category: Computers > Hardware Asked by: karel-ga List Price: $5.00 |
Posted:
09 Jun 2002 03:03 PDT
Expires: 09 Jul 2002 03:03 PDT Question ID: 23935 |
Hi. I want to put together a computer based music workstation for my home studio. I've been hunting around to see what to get, and the conflicting advice is driving me mad. I'm not sure whether to go Cubase, Pro-Tools, or Logic. Or even if Win98 or 2000 are better? Or should I go Mac? Can anyone give me a full rundown of a package to get? Presumably there's plenty of people out there who have considered this exact problem, and can just give me an immediate answer. I need full MIDI capabilities (up to 128 MIDI channels), 24 tracks of digital audio recording and mixing, as well as either hardware or software based sampling facilities (which is better?). I already have several MIDI sound modules, and don't need to purchase any more. Not for now. If I should put together my own PC, what parts would anyone recommend? I'd greatly appreciate an answer like 'get this shpping list. It costs this much. I've got one (or bought one for somebody else) and it works.' Many Thanks. Karel Bata |
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Re: Purchasing Computer Based Music Workstation
Answered By: meowcat-ga on 11 Jun 2002 14:19 PDT |
Hi Karel, I have struggled with the same questions you are facing, and, while I think its hard to tell someone exactly what they need, I will tell you what I know in the hopes that it will help you in your search for the perfect home studio. Always buy the absolute best thing you can afford, and you will never kick yourself later for not having spent the extra $50 to get the next level product, which really does what you need. Lets start with the computer. On the option of Mac vs. Windows, I would have to recommend Windows because, though the ease of use of the Mac and its aesthetically pleasing interface are both plusses, my iBook with both MacOS 9.2.x and MacOS X 10.1.x crashes 75% more than my Windows XP desktop a characteristic that is horrific when you are just about to finish creating some killer tune. Besides that, Ive found that Windows has a wider variety and greater number of supplemental applications you can obtain for free or cheap. Macs are great, but Windows has a larger user base and therefore greater resources for you to tap. The new Macs also require USB audio adapters, as Apple decided to remove the standard audio in ports, so that may be a factor in your decision, if you are like me and want as few cables as possible. Macs also have less hardware manufacturers manufacturing hardware for them, and the hardware tends to be more expensive because of this. Since you are often limited by computer hardware, I would recommend at least a Pentium 4, no less than 1Ghz (2Ghz+, if money is no object), and as much RAM as you can cram into the slots minimum 384MB 512 to 768 would be even better. With the dropping prices of Pentium CPUs and their being faster than anything we could have ever hoped for 10 years ago, go for a refurbished machine (A personal favorite of mine for this type of cheap, though exceptionally powerful, refurbished machines is the Countdown section of ECost.com (http://www.ecost.com). I recommend Windows XP be installed on the computer OEM (out of the box from the manufacturer) because I am using it and it has only crashed on me once in nearly a year of ownership. This isnt to say others dont have plenty to complain about it, but I find that with skins turned off (and erroneous software removed), it is fast and reliable. Creative makes a new series of sound cards called the Audigy line, which are very high quality and they have a very good reputation for reliable audio cards. Find specs for the Audigy Platinum here: http://www.soundblaster.com/products/audigyplatinum/specs.asp Software. If you are going to be recording live -- via microphone, live mixes, live performances, I would recommend Cubase VST (http://www.steinberg.net/products/ps/cubase/pc/vst/index.phtml) for its MIDI capability and because I think it is the easiest to use of the ones you mentioned (above Logic and Pro-Tools). You may also want to get other software, depending on your needs. I use Reason, from Propellerheads (http://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/frame.html). Reason is tremendously simple and powerful and replaces most of my MIDI hardware. Nothing replaces the ease of buttons and knobs and little turn-y things, so I also use a USB keyboard made by Midiman called the Oxygen 8 (http://www.midiman.com/products/midiman/oxygen8.php) to control MIDI software. Propellerheads also makes a piece of software called Rewire (http://www.propellerheads.se/products/rewire/frame.html) that allows you to hook up pieces of software between each other like you would with a simple audio cable. It is an indispensable tool if you are using, for example, Cubase and Reason. Sampling. I find hardware samplers limiting in ease of use and cost. Comparatively, software WAV editors, such as SoundForge from Sonic Foundry (http://www.soundforge.com/soundforge) are far more powerful, give more bang for the buck, and are easier to edit and convert music files. Besides that, software always wins over hardware because it is easier to carry one laptop with 5 pieces of software loaded onto it to a show (or a friends house) than it is to lug around 5 pieces of hardware, cables, power supplies, etc. Youll also need a CD-Burner I use an external FireWire Que! Drive (http://www.qps-inc.com/cgi-bin/display?sn=172415006141141&tm=prod_ext_fire ) to burn CDs. Invest in a re-writable burner and youll save money on CDs you burn for yourself (to listen to on real speakers, in your car, or to send to a record label). And finally, get a really really nice pair of digital headphones. DJ monitors (with earpieces that cover your entire ear, have deep bass, and very long cords are the best. Headphones always sound better than computer speakers, but they tend to sound so much better you may have to burn CDs to listen to on lesser speakers. Be prepared to spend about $150 on these. Pro Sound and lighting has a nice selection (http://www.pssl.com/asearchresults.tpl?waGroup1datarq=headphones), but you may want to hear them for yourself at your local music store. I use SONY MDRV900 remix studio monitor headphones (http://www.pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl?eqint_KeyIDdata=8539) and they sound great. I hope this is what you are looking for. Good luck in your searches and with your music!! |
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Re: Purchasing Computer Based Music Workstation
From: west-ga on 09 Jun 2002 04:03 PDT |
Hi Karel, If you have not already seen it, you might find a read of the following article to be good value: Sound Solutions: A Computer Music and Audio Primer by Graeme Bennett. Updated Sept.1, 2000. http://thetechnozone.com/audiobuyersguide/software/audio/music+audio.html Of course hardware performance has come a long way since Sept 2000, however most of the points that you raise are covered. No doubt you will get plenty of opinions. Good luck with your project. |
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Re: Purchasing Computer Based Music Workstation
From: chromedome-ga on 09 Jun 2002 05:11 PDT |
Hello, Karel: I have no expertise in this particular area, but I will offer one piece of practical advice. Normally, with situations like this, a purchasing decision comes down to personal preference. What do you like the look and feel of? In this particular instance, though, the products you're evaluating are too complex for the "test drive" scenario to work well. By the time you master one of these tools, you'll have made such a significant time investment that you'll stick with it and not look at the others (in all likelihood). In your shoes, I would ask myself, "Where is my help going to come from?" or in other words, who will be supporting you if you have any questions? If you expect to be dealing primarily with the vendors' technical support people, contact them. Ask about their procedures. Ask a few questions about their product. A good inquiry is, "What kind of calls seem to be the most common?" A tech who will bristle if asked for his product's weaknesses will cheerfully bend your ear about "the dumb things end users do," and that can give you insight into any design flaws that might exist in the product. It is possible that the staff at one or more of your local music stores are proficient in the products you are evaluating (in fact, now that I slow my fingers down long enough for my brain to catch up, that's probably where a lot of your conflicting input has come from). BUT... Don't think of it in terms of trying to find out which one is "best," because that amounts to a poll of other peoples' preferences. Think in terms of, "which one of these places would be able and willing to give me the most help with my learning curve?" In my experience, the leading products in focussed market niches like this are usually all pretty capable. If one has a feature that the others don't, it will likely be emulated by the others at the next upgrade. You are more likely to be satisfied with a product, not because of its innate excellence, but because the help was there to get you up to speed quickly. Two cents' worth from a long-time compute salesperson. Oh, and as a PS, don't get into the Holy Wars between Mac and PC zealots. Pick the software, then buy the computer (if necessary) that runs it. |
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Re: Purchasing Computer Based Music Workstation
From: pwal-ga on 09 Jun 2002 05:24 PDT |
You are looking for a "digital audio workstation" or DAW. There are as many opinions in the digital music world about what makes a good DAW as there are musicians. You can build your own DAW by picking all the components yourself (which, from your question, is not what you want to do). Or you can buy a packaged DAW from a custom manufacturer that specializes in integrating these workstations. These are niche players - not the mainstream Dell, Compaq, HP, etc., manufacturers. You can get a good, serviceable computer for music recording from the mainstream guys - but you can't get a good DAW from them. Here's a couple of places that give advice and could lead you to some manufacturers: http://www.audioforums.com http://www.dawconnection.com You can also hang out at the rec.audio.pro group. (Be prepared for some strong opinions - not always gently expressed.) |
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Re: Purchasing Computer Based Music Workstation
From: jeanluis-ga on 09 Jun 2002 06:26 PDT |
I don't know much about this type of stuff, but I have read recently that there is now a mother board on the market with a tube amp on the board for audio. You may want to look into it. Here is an article on slashdot about it, with pointers specs about the board, and other information: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/03/1822222&mode=thread&tid=126 I thought it was pretty cool, if nothing else. --jld |
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Re: Purchasing Computer Based Music Workstation
From: shelbyjune-ga on 09 Jun 2002 06:43 PDT |
Hi - Another online resource with plenty of useful articles on various aspects of this topic is operated by the International Association of Electronic Keyboard Musicians (IAEKM). These detailed and professionally written (most of them originally published in Keyboard or Electronic Musician Magazine) articles go back a couple of years, and cover a broad range of topics and levels of expertise. And FWIW - they currently have a give-away running, in which you can win a free digital desktop studio. http://www.iaekm.org Good luck! |
Subject:
Re: Purchasing Computer Based Music Workstation
From: littlerubberfeet-ga on 28 Apr 2004 13:46 PDT |
I hope I don't step on toes with this, as the other advice is quite good...but here are my 2 cents: Apple only eliminated the audio in jack from the iBook. However, if you are at all serious, you would never want to use these anyway. I work in a studio for a living and have helped set up several home studios in addition to upgrading the studio I work at to an OS X (10.3) environment. As for meowcat's crashing problems, I would be curious about that setup. Most macs, especially running X, do not crash much at all. I have a crashrate of about 1 per 1,000 hours of uptime, and most of the time the problem lies with third party software. I also never turn off my computer. If you want the cheapest route possible, go with Windows. There is more software for the platform (mainly the ACID stuff) alas, more of it is crappy. Still, this remains the cheapest route. Speaking of cheap, I got my headphones for about $90. They are Sony MDR-V600 cans that are commonly used as monitors by studio musicians. Also, I would stay away from standalone DAWs, as they lack the versitality of a computer. The last home studio I set up was for two folk singers. It took me 3 hours, and I had them going with a dual G5 (http://www.apple.com), MOTU's Digital Performer and MOTU's 896 HD firewire interface http://motu.com/. This system will cost you about $3,500 total, but it is truly plug and play. The 896HD is firewire, which means your host computer could be a laptop instead of a desktop. Also, desktop G5s come with 10 channel I/O S/PDIF optical jacks, opening up a whole world of options if you are using S/PDIF capable preamps. Software: Cubase and Nuendo (Steinberg's products) are quite good. Nuendo was originally meant for use on a quad processor SGI box before they ported it to Windows and the mac. Protools is amazing, but has a steep learning curve. Digital Performer is easier to learn and has good looping tools, as well as good interoperability with MachFive, a digital sampler plugin. I hope I didn't add too much to your confusion. Best of luck with the music! |
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Re: Purchasing Computer Based Music Workstation
From: karel-ga on 28 Apr 2004 17:48 PDT |
Thank you Littlerubberfeet, but have you looked at the date above? I've since bought a PT setup running on a XP PC. Yes, a learning curve. Yours was an interesting read though. Best regards. |
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