There are many manufacturers of Texturized vegetable Protein in the
world.Almost all the manufacturers which I have met use soy bean as
the starting raw materials which is then hydrolyzed with hydrocloric
acids.
My Question-- Please find me  one or more manufacturers( not trader )
of texturized vegetable protein in the United States who uses wheat
base raw materials ( not soy ).
I have many suppliers whose raw materials are from soy, therefore any
manufacturer whose raw materials are from soy and not wheat base, are
not the manufacturers which I am looking for- and the answer will not
be considered correct for the purpose of this question.

 I will be posing another related question in the google answers which
is related to texturized vegetable protein which involves soy base
product . This question will have a different pricing. This will
involve texturized vegetable protein which has chicken flavor or beef
flavored from any countries around the world , except one in Israel,
which my competitor is the exclusive agent and I will not be able to
buy.- This related question will be posted as another separate
question with another payment.

Clue -  there is a manufacturer in the United States whose name start
with letter " M". I was not able to copy and read the complete name
when I was in front of our customer , and he would not give it for
confidential reason. He like us to look for other supplier because
they do not like buying from their agent.

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Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 07 Aug 2003 17:10 PDT

pnri,

Do you care what form this texturized vegetable protein is in? Are you
looking for it in bulk or already packaged? Is it OK if the mixture is
majority wheat but contains some soy (i.e. soy sauce for flavoring)?

If you could provide some details about how you hope to use this, I
might be able to search for something that will better suit your
needs.

/ephraim

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Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 07 Aug 2003 17:38 PDT

OK, this is what I've discovered so far.

"Textured Vegetable Protein" is almost universally defined as being a
soy product. I don't think it's possible to find a wheat-based TVP.

What I *have* found is that there is a wheat product which is
considered similar to soy-based TVP, and, according to my sources, may
actually be a better substitute for meat. I suspect that this is what
you are looking for. Obviously, you know this business better than I
do, so if I've made a wrong assumption here, please inform me.

So far, I've found a single manufacturer for this wheat product, but
it is based in England, and I cannot find any internet site for the
company (which is a little strange, because they seem to be a major
distributor of food products in England).

Please advise as to whether I'm on the right track towards providing
material that would be useful to you.

/ephraim

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Clarification of Question by pnri-ga on 07 Aug 2003 18:11 PDT

In the past, it is also my knowledge that TVP all uses soy bean meal
as raw materials becauue it is cheap and readily available. However,
several days ago, our customer told us to look for another supplier of
TVP which is wheat base and not soy base because they do not like to
buy from the local company, which is the agent of this American
Company. Therefore, it is confirmed that what our customer is using is
wheat base TVP and not soy base.
We will try to get the specification from this customer. Not sure if
we can get it. We call them , but the one in charged is not yet
around. Will try again today and come back to you tomorrow.
When we say the TVP is from wheat base, it means that the starting
materials is from wheat or by product of wheat to obtain the protein,
which is then probably hydrolyzed to produce the product called
texturized vegetable protein. Vegetable, because raw material is
vegetable origin ( both soy and wheat are vegetable origin), protein,
because both soy and wheat have protein.
Our customer is in the instant noodle industries.
I will provide additional information when I obtain from our customer.

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Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 07 Aug 2003 18:36 PDT

Does the following description match what you are looking for:

"Wheat protein is derived from wheat gluten. Gluten is extracted from
wheat and then processed to resemble meat.. It has a greater
similarity to meat than TVP or mycoprotein and is used as a meat
substitute in a range of foods."

Is it OK if the manufacturer is in England? If it is not OK, would you
accept an American distributor of a British-manufactured product?

/ephraim

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Clarification of Question by pnri-ga on 08 Aug 2003 14:15 PDT

Dear Ephraim-ga,

Yes, you are correct, the TVP which my customer is using is wheat
gluten base , which is the source of the protein.
The complete name and contact number of both the manufacturer's name
in England , combined with the complete name and contact information
of the American distributor of the British-manufactured product will
be the answer to the question which I posed to google answer. - I will
then be able to contact them both and ask for technical specification
and pricing to proceed with how to buy from them.

pnri-ga

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Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 09 Aug 2003 23:11 PDT

Pnri,

I'd like to give you an update as to where I am on this question.

I've found a name, address, and phone number for what I believe is the
British manufacturer of this product. Unfortunately, they don't seem
to have a web site, so I am unable to confirm their product line on
the internet.

The only way for me to get you a guaranteed answer is for me to phone
them on Monday morning. As of this Tuesday, I will have only limited
internet access for one week. I'm letting you know this, because if I
cannot obtain an answer by Monday evening, then I will be unable to
work on this question further until I return. (Obviously, another
researcher may attempt to work on this in my absence, which would make
this a moot point.)

Just letting you know,

/ephraim

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Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 09 Aug 2003 23:12 PDT

One other point -- the wheat gluten based meat substitute is **NOT**
known as TVP. I'm assuming that this is not a problem as long as it
matches the description I posted above.

/ephraim

Pnri,

It seems that my original claim may have been wrong. There are
manufacturers of texturized wheat protein in the United States and
Canada. I'm listing them here, based on information I've found on
their web sites. Note that two of them begin with the letter 'M', so I
can't be sure which of these is the one already used by your customer.


Cambrian Chemicals produces a product called "Texturized Wheat
Protein".

Their address and contact information is:

Cambrian Chemicals Inc
627 Lyons Lane, Suite 300
Oakville, Ontario L6J 5Z7
Canada

Phone: +1 (905) 338-3172
Fax:   +1 (905) 338-0648

[ http://www.cambrianchemicals.com/webstart/foodlist.htm ]



Manildra USA has a product line called "GemTex" which is Texturized
Wheat Protein.

Their address and contact information is:

Manildra Group USA
4210 Shawnee Mission Parkway
Suite 312A
Shawnee Mission, Kansas 66205
USA

Phone: +1 (913) 362-0777
Fax:   +1 (913) 362-0052

[ http://www.manildrausa.com/products/texture.html ]



Midwest Grain / MGP Ingredients Inc creates "Wheatex Texturized Wheat
Protein".

Their address and contact information is:

MGP Ingredients, Inc
1300 Main Street
Atchison, KS 66002-0130
USA

Phone:    (800) 255-0302
Fax:   +1 (913) 367-0192

Note that "800" phone numbers only work inside the United States. When
I looked up "Midwest Grain" on [ http://www.superpages.com ] the phone
number listed with that address was +1 (913) 367-1480.

[ http://www.midwestgrain.com/vegetarian/index.htm ]
 


Originally, I was under the assumption that texturized wheat protein
was only produced under the brand name "Wheatpro" by Lucas Ingredients
in England. Since I've been able to find the 3 manufacturers above in
North America, I'm hoping that it is no longer as important for me to
confirm this information. Basically, a number of vegetarian sites
reference Lucas Ingredients as the manufacturer of Wheatpro, but Lucas
Ingredients has no known web page which I could use to confirm this
information. One example of a vegetarian site with this information is
[ http://www.vegsoc.org/info/soya.html ]. I'm listing their contact
information here, in case you'd like to find a possible fourth
manufacturer for this product.


Lucas Ingredients
Orchard Court
Orchard Lane
Bristol,
Avon
BS1 5WS
England

Phone: +44 1453 543272

The above information is from [
http://www.touchbristol.com/comdir/cditem.cfm?NID=1466190 ].

Alternate information:

Lucas Ingredients
Bradley Road
Royal Portbury Dock
Bristol
BS20 7NZ
England

Phone: +44 1255 554100

The above address information is from [
http://www.guildofqbutchers.co.uk/Corporate/Corporate.html ].

Alternate Information:

Lucas Ingredients
Portbury Way
Royal Portbury Docks
Bristol
BS20 2XN
England

Phone: +44 1275 375500
Fax:   +44 1275 378292

The above address information is from [
http://www.hygieneshow.co.uk/exhibInfo.htm ].



Search Strategy:

My search strategy was originally to look for a product called
"Seitan" which I know from experience is a wheat-based vegetarian
substitute for meat. Doing a combined search for "seitan" +
"texturized", I managed to find the references to Lucas Ingredients,
but was unable to search any further because they don't seem to have
any web-based information.

Afterwards, I attempted searches for "texturized wheat protein" and
"textured wheat protein" which provided much better information for
the product you're looking for.

[ ://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&q=+%22textured+wheat+protein%22&spell=1
]
Google Search: "textured wheat protein"

[ ://www.google.com/search?q=+%22texturized+wheat+protein%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&filter=0
]
Google Search: "texturized wheat protein"


Finally, here's a search for Lucas Ingredients in case this may help
you find the company:

[ ://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=lucas+ingredients&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images
]
Google Search: "lucas ingredients"


I hope this provides you with the information you need. Ask for
clarification if needed!

/ephraim

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Clarification of Answer by ephraim-ga on 11 Aug 2003 09:57 PDT

Pnri,

I haven't yet seen any confirmation from you that this answer has
supplied what you wanted. I wanted to give you a heads up that I may
not have internet access for 8 days starting this Tuesday morning (US
Eastern time). In the event that you need further clarification on
this issue, I'd like to request some patience. I will be more than
happy to assist you with any clarification that you need, but it may
take a few days for me to have a chance to read and respond to your
request.

Hoping that I can assist you further,

/ephraim

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Request for Answer Clarification by pnri-ga on 12 Aug 2003 13:46 PDT

Dear Emphraim- ga,

Great answer, you have the right manufacturers which I am looking for
. In Fact, Just find out from my customer that they are using the one
from MGP , with the brand name as " Wheatex" . I will contact them
shortly and if I have some other questions, will write to you again.

best regards,

pnri-ga

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Clarification of Answer by ephraim-ga on 17 Aug 2003 18:46 PDT

Sounds good! Let me know if it works out!

/ephraim

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Request for Answer Clarification by pnri-ga on 28 Aug 2003 06:51 PDT

Dear Ephraim-ga,

Thanks for your answers. For the meantime, we will consider this case
closed and question answered completely with the best satisfaction on
my part. It will take some more time before I contact these companies
as we are gather more information about the market of these products
in the Philippines before we will contact these manufacturers.
In the future, if I ever need   some more clarification ( I might not)
,  may I contact you?

Meanwhile, let us considered this case fully answered .I will rate
your answer a five star!!

best regards,

pnri-ga

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Clarification of Answer by ephraim-ga on 28 Aug 2003 07:12 PDT

Pnri,

You're more than welcome to contact me again as needed. If you'd like
me to answer a new question for you, just post a question with my
handle ("ephraim-ga") in the subject, and hopefully we'll manage to
connect!

Regards,

/ephraim