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Subject: Identify and locate a painting presumably by Jan Brueghel the Elder
Category: Arts and Entertainment
Asked by: eloquence-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 07 Aug 2003 18:02 PDT
Expires: 06 Sep 2003 18:02 PDT
Question ID: 241232
I am trying to obtain a high resolution color copy of the following
painting:

http://scireview.de/pics/jan.jpg

The only reference I have is:

Allegorie auf Krieg und Inquisition.  ("Allegory on War and
Inquisition")
Painting by Jan Brueghel the Elder and Hendrik van Balem, first
quarter of the 17th century

The above black and white reproduction is from 

Neville Williams et al. (Ed.): Meilensteine der Geschichte, Berlin
1971, Bd. II, p. 162.

To earn the bounty for this question, just answer the following
questions:

1) Is the above reference correct and if not, what painting is it?

2) Where can I obtain a high resolution color reproduction? Books,
museum catalogs, website, CD-ROMs are all acceptable references. High
resolution means at least the resolution of the black and white copy
above.
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Subject: Re: Identify and locate a painting presumably by Jan Brueghel the Elder
From: fp-ga on 08 Aug 2003 01:05 PDT
 
The painting you are looking for
http://scireview.de/pics/jan.jpg

and the following (photo taken in 1954)
http://www.bildindex.de/fotos/mi/091/78/b/MI09178d18b.jpg

seem to be identical. The Lindenau-Museum in Altenburg has its own
website:
http://www.lindenau-museum.de/

Perhaps they can help. 
Or ask "Foto Marburg" http://www.bildindex.de/

Apparently the name is spelt "van Bale n " and not "van Bale m ".

Search strategy:
http://www.bildindex.de/
Click on "Künstler", search "balen", click on "balen, hendrick",
"tafelmalerei" and "altenburg"
When moving the mouse on to the picture the title is given as
"Allegorie auf Krieg und Feuer" ("...war and fire").
On bildindex.de you can easily magnify the painting.
Subject: Re: Identify and locate a painting presumably by Jan Brueghel the Elder
From: fp-ga on 08 Aug 2003 01:36 PDT
 
I am rewriting your link and do hope it will be clickable:
http://scireview.de/pics/jan.jpg
Subject: Re: Identify and locate a painting presumably by Jan Brueghel the Elder
From: fp-ga on 09 Aug 2003 01:17 PDT
 
A monograph on van Balen by Werche apparently should have been
published in 2000.

It may interest you that this "monograph by Bettina Werche of Hendrik
van Balen was not published in 2000 (143) but will be published at the
end of 2003 in the "Pictura Nova" series published by Brepols
(Turnhout)".
http://www.kunstform.historicum.net/2003/07/3355.html
http://www.sehepunkte.historicum.net/2003/07/3355.html

Brepols catalogue:
http://www.brepols.net/catalogue/index.jsp?mpk=20295,20302
Subject: Re: Identify and locate a painting presumably by Jan Brueghel the Elder
From: eloquence-ga on 09 Aug 2003 03:19 PDT
 
Thanks for all your help, fp. I'll call the museum on Monday and
inquire if they have the picture and if I can order a repro from them.
If they do, I'll let you claim the money (I don't know how that works,
but I presume you have to officially put in an answer text). The
bildindex.de site is great -- didn't know that one. (I'm German, BTW
-- in case you are, too.)
Subject: Re: Identify and locate a painting presumably by Jan Brueghel the Elder
From: brett-ga on 10 Aug 2003 21:37 PDT
 
If the caption to the image shown by fp-ga is correct, then I believe
that this artist must be Jan Bruegel the Younger, as it was the latter
who was born in 1568.  Jan Bruegel the Elder - who, by the way changed
the spelling of his surname from Brueghel in about 1559 - was born
between 1525 and 1530, and died in 1569.  He is unlikely, therefore,
to have been a contemporary of Hendrik van Balen (1575-1632).

This information has been extracted from "Bruegel: the Complete
Paintings" by Tiziana Frati, publ. Granada 1980.  This contains
details of a total of some 76 paintings by Jan Bruegel the Elder, and
does not include "Allegorie auf Krieg und Inquisition".

Regards and best wishes,
Brett

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