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"no need of God, only reason" source from 1700s
Category: Reference, Education and News > Teaching and Research Asked by: bode-ga List Price: $35.00 |
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11 Jun 2002 21:47 PDT
Expires: 18 Jun 2002 21:47 PDT Question ID: 24468 |
I need to find a 18th C. reference that says, basically, that we don't need God (or man is already as good as God) because we have science (then known as "natural philosophy"). It should include complete bibliographic information, e.g., date, pg. no., publisher, place published, etc. It must be a primary source written from about 1700 to 1740 (after 1750-- not useful, I've already got all I need). It should not be written by Spinoza or Hume. I've tried chronologies of atheistic thought in books and some on the web, but suspect that there are full-text resources or something out there that one of you may find first. I've also looked in enlightenment philosophy anthologies, and did several computer searches on secondary sources (that is, written about, not by, the original author). Some of the terms I've tried are Newton, Newtonianism, natural philosophy, rationalism, atheism, deism, enlightenment, reason, science, New Philosphy, New Science, natural religion, and technology. |
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Re: "no need of God, only reason" source from 1700s
Answered By: juggler-ga on 12 Jun 2002 00:41 PDT Rated: ![]() |
The single best work that fits your criteria is probably Alexander Pope's "Essay on Man" (1733-1734). Although not atheistic, "Essay on Man" is widely considered a precursor to the rationalistic "natural philosophy" of the late 18th century. Epistle II, for example, contains many passages consistent with enlightenment philosophy. Here are just a couple: "1 Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; 2 The proper study of mankind is man." And: "19 Go, wondrous creature! mount where science guides, 20 Go, measure earth, weigh air, and state the tides; 21 Instruct the planets in what orbs to run, 22 Correct old time, and regulate the sun;" For the full text, visit: http://www.library.utoronto.ca/utel/rp/poems/pope11.html Here are some articles discussing the relationship between Pope's "Essay on Man" and the Enlightenment: http://ca.essortment.com/popeessaychri_rvjn.htm http://wv.essortment.com/alexanderpopee_rcxe.htm For more results, try this Google search: ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=googlet&q=%22alexander+pope%22+%22essay+on+man%22+enlightenment&btnG=Google+Search Some French philosophers of the period also fit your criteria. Voltaire's "Letters on England" (1734) are generally interpreted as including enlightenment philosophy. "Letter XIII - On Mr. Locke," for example, includes quite a bit of discussion about nature, God, and reason. For full-text, see: http://www.arts.adelaide.edu.au/personal/DHart/ETexts/Enlightenment/Voltaire/LettersOnEngland1734/Part3.html#anchor166057 Although it was written at the very end of the period, Denis Diderot's "Philosophical Thoughts", aka "Pensees Philosophiques" (1746) espouses rationalist philosophy. Here is an excerpt: "It is not from the metaphysician that atheism has received its most vital attack. . . . If this dangerous hypothesis is tottering at the present day, it is to experimental physics that the result is due. It is only in the works of Newton, of Muschenbroeck, of Hartzoeker, and of Nieuwentit, that satisfactory proofs have been found of the existence of a reign of sovereign intelligence. Thanks to the works of these great men, the world is no longer a God; it is a machine with its wheels, its cords, its pulleys, its springs, and its weights." [ from a 1916 translation by Margaret Jourdain entitled "Diderot's Early Philosophical Works," and cited in the article, "The Problem Of Miracles: A Historical And Philosophical Perspective," by William Lane Craig on : http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/miracles.html ] Julien Offray de La Mettrie (1709 - 1751) was another French philosopher whose views were considered "naturalistic" and "atheistic." See: http://www.xrefer.com/entry/552554 Julien Offray de La Mettrie's most famous work "L'homme machine" ("Man a Machine") (1748) is available on: http://www.santafe.edu/~shalizi/LaMettrie/Machine/ I hope this helps you in your research. Good luck. |
bode-ga
rated this answer:![]() The answer was useful and adequate. The quotations given me were too general--I was looking for something which specifically said "we don't need God because we have science" (I have my own general quotations on the enlightenment--I'm writing a thesis on the subject). The problem is, I don't know whether or not a quote exists and just wasn't found (I've been searching myself rather extensively for a while), or if such a quote just doesn't exist. That being said, the answer given me did contain some things I can use that I hadn't found before, so I don't as desperately need the quote (it would still help). |
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Re: "no need of God, only reason" source from 1700s
From: cjs2u-ga on 14 Jun 2002 19:55 PDT |
Hi Bode, I don't have anything by him yet, but is Thomas Paine (born 1737) too late? CJS |
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Re: "no need of God, only reason" source from 1700s
From: bode-ga on 18 Jun 2002 15:50 PDT |
Thomas Paine is a little late, but if he said anything applicable I'd be interested in hearing it. Bode |
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Re: "no need of God, only reason" source from 1700s
From: cjs2u-ga on 15 Jul 2002 22:23 PDT |
Hi, This is a little late isn't it? I think don't keep track of all my Google Answers well enough. I guess I only mentioned Thomas Paine because his book is called after all The Age Of Reason. Don't have much else in specifics. Good luck searching though -- try these words and various combinations and inflections of them: "thomas paine god logic(al) reason argument(s) deist/deism rational(ity)" |
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Re: "no need of God, only reason" source from 1700s
From: benzocaine-ga on 05 Dec 2004 13:01 PST |
Sorry for being two years late, but I think you can find such a quote by Paul Henri (Baron) d'Holbach, who lived 1723-1789. His most famous work is "The System of Nature" (1770). I'm not familiar with what he wrote before that. He wrote under psudonym to avoid being persecuted for his views so if some of his earlier works contain such a quote, it may not be known that he is the actual author. Another famous materialist from the Enlightenment is LaMettrie who may have written something like that you are searching for in his "Man a Machine" (1748). Here are some quotes: "Let us not lose ourselves in the infinite, for we are not made to have the least idea thereof, and are absolutely unable to get back to the origin of things. Besides it does not matter for our peace of mind, whether matter be eternal or have been created, whether there be or be not a God. How foolish to torment ourselves so much about things which we can not know, and which would not make us any happier even were we to gain knowledge about them!" "After this, let a vain people think otherwise, let them dare affirm that even probity is at stake in not believing in revelation, in a word that another religion than that of nature is necessary, whatever it may be. Such an assertion is wretched and pitiable; and so is the good opinion which each one gives us of the religion he has embraced! We do not seek here the votes of the crowd. Whoever raises in his heart altars to superstition, is bound to worship idols and not to thrill to virtue." Most likely, David Hume wrote something similar, but you propably know more of him than I do. |
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