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Subject: Irish folk tales
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: forester570-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 21 Aug 2003 16:58 PDT
Expires: 20 Sep 2003 16:58 PDT
Question ID: 247465
I am trying to find something out about an old Irish folk story about
a woman named Shelanagria who had burned her mother and three children
alive.  She was known as "Petty coat loos".  After she died it "took
all the priests and bishops in Munster seven years to banish her". 
These are excerpts from a letter, so I am hoping to find an account of
the whole story.

Request for Question Clarification by justaskscott-ga on 21 Aug 2003 17:42 PDT
I've found a fair amount of information about "Petty coat loos", but
not about Shelanagria or someone who burned her mother and three
children alive.  It seems that more than one tale is told about "Petty
coat loos" -- so it is conceivable that another tale was combined with
hers.

Do you want to hear about "Petty coat loos", or would you rather wait
to see if someone can find the specific tale referred to in the
letter?

Clarification of Question by forester570-ga on 01 Sep 2003 22:47 PDT
Scott-
Sure, I'll take what you have on Petty Coat Loos.  Thanks.
Forester570
Answer  
Subject: Re: Irish folk tales
Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 03 Sep 2003 19:33 PDT
Rated:3 out of 5 stars
 
Hello forester570,

I wish that I or another Researcher could have found something about
the specific tale in the letter.  But at least I can provide
references to "Petticoat Loose", which appears to be the correct
spelling.  (Alternate spellings are "Petticoat Loose" and "Petticoat
Lucy".)

The following web pages provide some stories about Petticoat Loose:

"The Legend of Petticoat Loose"
De La Salle Scout Unit
http://www.dlscouts.ie/petticoatloose.html

"Petticoat Lucy" [second section of page]
Lucey and Lucy home on the web
http://www.ozlists.com/allluceys/leabhar3.html

"Re: Excerpts from Irish newspapers" (2002-11-17)
Message on <soc.genealogy.ireland>
Google Groups
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=H5rApu.H1w%40world.std.com

There are also songs and at least one play about Petticoat Loose, as
you can see from web pages that mention "Petticoat Loose":

'Searched the web for "petticoat loose"'
Google
://www.google.com/search?q=%22petticoat+loose%22&num=30&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&filter=0

- justaskscott


Search terms used on Google and Google Groups:

petticoat ireland
"petticoat loose"
"petticoat luce"
"petticoat lucy"
forester570-ga rated this answer:3 out of 5 stars
I found some information, but not as much as I hoped.  I wish there
the researcher was able to find more, but I am happy that he found
what he did.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Irish folk tales
From: intotravel-ga on 29 Oct 2003 17:04 PST
 
Just a note ... Shelanagria sounds like an anglicization of a name
that would originally have taken a form like:

- - -    Sile (anglicized to Sheila or other form)  na   gria 

However, there's nothing on Google for "Sile na gria" .... and I'm not
sure there is such a word as gria in Irish.


- - -                            * * *

Terms that comes up a lot when you search for anything involving "Sile
na" or "Sheila na" are:

*
sile na gig, sheelagh na gig, sheila na gig -- stone figures found on
old buildings, on churches and castles, carvings so ancient I'm not
sure anyone really knows their origin, or the origin of the word
itself:

"The figures, approached through a Romanesque doorway, date from the
ninth or 10th century. They include a saintly-looking abbot or abbess
and a distinctly unsaintly sile-na-gig - a female fertility symbol -
with a wide and dirty grin."
http://www.michaelkerr.co.uk/fermanagh.html

*
Sile na gCioch -- a traditional Irish song
"The melody is eerie, woven through with the singing thread of Kate
MacLeod's fiddle. 'Sile na gCioch (Sheila)' takes the flip side with a
song about a traveler who gives a woman a dress he found on the road,
but washed out for her. If she puts it on, she'll be accepting him and
be a traveler too. The chorus tells the answer: 'chuir si uirthi e
(she put it on)'."
http://www.rambles.net/hardy_omens.html
 
*
Sile na gCioch -- seems it's another name for the sile na gig
"In 1978 Canon Ryan discovered on the front gable of the castle under
the newly constructed Roman arch, a Sile-na-gCioch, that is, a carved
stone female of grotesque appearance, reputedly possessing talismanic
powers"
http://clanegan.org/SpeckledBooklet/castles.htm

*
Sile na gCioch = sheela of the breasts - theory
[This website discusses various theories of the name:] 
"But we've seen that so few of the sheelas actually have breasts. And
the few that do... well, their haggish breasts are really not the
most, er, prominent of their features. The other popular suggestion
has been "Sile-ina-Giob (sheela on her hunkers)." I just don't see the
word ina-giob migrating to the words na gig, in either pronunciation
or spelling, during the time period in question.
http://www.bandia.net/sheela/

= = = =

There's also a Sheila na Geira ....

"During the reign of Elizabeth I, Gilbert Pike, a former member of the
Peter Easton's pirate band, fell in love with Sheila Na Geira, an
Irish princess whom he had rescued from a Dutch warship, where she was
being held prisoner. The couple married and decided to make a new home
for themselves in the New World."
http://destination-nfld.com/common/trails/areaid.asp?AreaID=A3

= = = =

The nearest Irish word sounding like gria may be grian, Irish for sun;
there's also gra, meaning love.

There are a few dictionaries (Irish Gaelic / Gaeilge) listed here: 
http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/

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