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Subject:
Steam technology
Category: Science Asked by: glasseyed-ga List Price: $15.00 |
Posted:
21 Aug 2003 18:27 PDT
Expires: 20 Sep 2003 18:27 PDT Question ID: 247474 |
I need to know how the speed of steam engines (specifically marine turbines, but hey, whatever) was controlled. To be precise: when a steam-driven vehicle had to slow down in a hurry, was it normal practice to waste pressure by venting it to atmosphere? Or if not by venting it, then how? |
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Re: Steam technology
Answered By: omnivorous-ga on 22 Aug 2003 04:20 PDT Rated: |
Glasseyed -- The active venting of steam into the atmosphere is rarely done in steam engine designs because doing so loses substantial energy. Instead, steam engines generally use a condenser to recycle and cool water vapor -- particularly in marine engines where colder water is readily available to cool the steam. However, two things contribute to the belief that people expect steam engines to emit steam. The first is that is more-compact railroad engines that don't have the benefit of water cooling, steam IS vented to the atmosphere. This is both a well-diagrammed indication of how a RAILROAD steam engine works -- and there's an excellent bibliography at the end: How Stuff Works "How Steam Engines Work" http://travel.howstuffworks.com/steam.htm It is important to have a closed-loop system within the steam engine to conserve energy but also to make sure that distilled water is used. There are simply too many minerals and impurities in river water or ocean water that would damage the complex tubing of a boiler: Elton Engineering books "Samuel Hall" (undated) http://www.polybiblio.com/elton/5205.html For a very complete description of a modern steam engine, the American Society of Mechanical Engineers has written a detailed description of the engines powering the S.S. Badger, a car ferry that crosses Lake Michigan (Manitowoc to Ludington)" ASME "S.S. Badger Engines and Boilers" (Sept. 9, 1996) http://www.asme.org/history/brochures/h191.pdf I'd mentioned that there was a second reason that people BELIEVE they see steam coming out of the funnels of ocean liners -- it's because larger liners used steam whistles until late in the 20th century. They often had a steam whistle in each of the stacks or funnels -- so observers would "see" steam venting from the funnels when the ship was calling attention to itself: North Shore News (Vancouver, BC) "Rotterdam V Sails Her Last Voyage" (Sept. 8, 1997) http://www.nsnews.com/issue/w090897/rotterda.html As Engineguy-ga has correctly noted, the slowing of ships is done by the marine transmission. The steam boiler can remain fully stoked while the propellers or screws are completely stopped. About.com's history of steam engines. Beware the popup ads on this page, which otherwise is very complete on the development of steam engine technology, even having a separate category for steamboats: http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blsteamengine.htm Google search strategy: I cheated a little on this one, as I was already doing research on the SS Badger when I ran across the interesting article on its engines. But further research was possible using: "steam engine" + condenser "ocean liners" + steam + whistle Best regards, Omnivorous-GA | |
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Thanks, omnivorous. (Sigh) It would have made a striking visual image, but I'm glad I checked. Maybe I'll have a chorus line from the Folies Bergere dancing on the railing instead. ;) |
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Re: Steam technology
From: smudgy-ga on 21 Aug 2003 18:52 PDT |
Hi, glasseyed, I don't know anything about steam engines, but I would guess that in an application like a marine turbine, the engine would be connected to some kind of transmission that could be disengaged/switched into reverse/etc. Good luck, smudgy. |
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Re: Steam technology
From: glasseyed-ga on 21 Aug 2003 19:03 PDT |
Thanks, smudgy! That would be my guess, but I'm hoping it isn't true (oops, I've given away the answer I'm hoping for; still, I need to confirm or deny the speculation). I want it for visual effect in a story I'm writing: a steam yacht blowing off great clouds of steam to slow down quickly. |
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Re: Steam technology
From: engineguy-ga on 21 Aug 2003 21:12 PDT |
It would be most likely for a steam yacht to use a steam engine rather than a steam turbine. A steam turbine uses very high pressure steam to spin a wheel at high speed. A steam engine, as used in steam locomotives and smaller marine applications, uses pistons operating in cyclinders to convert steam energy into mechanical work. In these devices, the steam inlet was often throttled by a valve that could be opened and closed to restrict the flow of steam into the cylinders. The cloud of steam often associated with a stopping locomotive occurs when the pressure relief valve opens to prevent the steam reservoir or boiler from bursting from over-pressure. |
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Re: Steam technology
From: glasseyed-ga on 21 Aug 2003 21:51 PDT |
And thank you, engineguy! I appreciate all this interest. Actually, Charles Parsons first unveiled the steam turbine on his "Turbinia," a pencil of a boat only 100' long by 9' wide. Her cruising range was probably something like 50 miles, but damn, she was fast. You're right: most steam yachts were piston driven. But my fictional yacht is 280' overall, and displaces 800 tons (very light for her length), so fitting her with turbines isn't a problem. Now if only she'd look suitably picturesque and dramatic slowing down... |
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Re: Steam technology
From: stevenpace-ga on 12 Oct 2003 08:12 PDT |
There is a much simplier way to slow down. Just stop letting steam from the boiler into the turbine. If the pressure in the boiler rises too high, then you would have to let it out, but otherwise, just wait until it is needed. The energy is in the boiler ready to use, as little or as much as you need. Mostly, you would just burn more or less fuel to raise or lower the pressure. A simple pressure valve is the answer to your question...... |
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