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USED MOTOR OIL AS FUEL FOR GENERATING ELECTRICITY
Category: Science Asked by: johnnylawnmower-ga List Price: $22.00 |
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23 Aug 2003 19:24 PDT
Expires: 22 Sep 2003 19:24 PDT Question ID: 248080 |
I am in the "fast lube" business, and have searched the web for over 5 years to find a way to use the waste motor oil from my business as fuel for generating my own electricity. I have not found any "off-the-shelf" method for doing so. I have not even found any "under development" techniques for doing this. I have investigated the following topics "thoroughly", without success: 1. Diesel (or gasoline?) I/C engines modified to burn 100% (filtered and pre-heated) used motor oil. (Not the 5% solutions which ARE available). 2. Turbines/jet engines running on used oil. (This can possible be done now, but only at very high rates of consumption, and at very high noise levels, and with equipment overhaul interval requirements which are prohibitive. 3. Steam turbine generators using a waste oil-fired boiler. I have not found any units small or simple enough for installation in a small business urban environment. A successful solution would have to be able to meet the following requirements: 1. Unattended operation, except for start-up and periodic maintenance. 2. Selling price of $30,000 or less. 3. Noise/emissions levels compatible with urban environments. 4. Size/weight compatible for roof-top installation. I am not asking you to design a product, just providing limiting guides so you do not waste time on a $1,000,000 solution covering 1/2 an acre. The BASIC TECHNOLOGY of converting the waste/used oil to energy is what I have not been able to find. I have repeatedly used the following search terms, again with little success: co-generation waste oil used oil crankcase oil diesel fuel (burner) heavy oil babington burner sterling engine alternative fuel(s) I have a list of sites saved in my IE favorites, but I don't know how to link/copy them into this question. I will be glad to do so if given instructions. Most of these relate to waste oil burning space heaters (which I am also interested in, but which are of much less tehnical interest compared to the ability to generate electricity). These sites have been investigated in the hopes of finding a basic burner which could be incorporated into an energy generating system. There was a (failed) company called "Black Gold" about 10 years ago which tried to combine the burner from a commercial waste oil space heater (I.E. Lanair, Shenandoah, etc.) with the exhaust turbine from a big truck and having the turbine power an electric generator, but this idea apparently failed. I also heard of an artile in Scientific American from the 20's or 30's regarding testing a tractor using a "vaporizing carb" (Fordson?) burning 100% used motor oil. I have not seen the article. I look forward to hearing from you soon. |
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Re: USED MOTOR OIL AS FUEL FOR GENERATING ELECTRICITY
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 24 Aug 2003 02:31 PDT |
greetings snsh, This is indeed a difficult search, as the number of articles on ' efficiency of fuel, as dependent on motor oil' contaminates the results on 'motor oil as fuel'. To avoid such crosstalk, one has to use advanced search techniques, such as ://www.google.com/search?q=oil+fuel+-efficient This eliminates articles dealing with 'efficiency'. Using such search techniques brings many articles on Biodiesel which explain how a diesel engine can run on pre-heated oil or mix. I see that you have investigated this option and " not found any units small or simple enough for installation in a small business urban environment " Your descriptions of what you have already found were very useful. References given in the Biodiesel articles may bring additional ideas. For example the Vegie-Van http://www.veggievan.org/ looks small enough, and the cited book describes " Three methods for running a ... Diesel engine ... on straight vegetable oil" http://www.joshuatickell.com/products/publications/index.php However, your main problem is not finding a suitable engine. The primary problem with burning unprocessed used motor oil is environmental: www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/ usedoil/campgn/en-dumpbr.pdf The used oil is classified as Hazardous Waste and has to be disposed of in accordance with the EPA regulations (if you reside in the U.S.). These rules have a solid basis. Used oil contains toxic chemicals and heavy metals which can escape when burned in an improvised burner. Regulations are numerous and look like this: "April 12, 2002 - Notice - Information Collection Request for Used Oil - Announces that EPA is soliciting comments on Used Oil ICR (EPA ICR No. 1286, OMB Control No. 2050-0124, expires 6/30/02) before OMB submission...." Some others are listed here: http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/usedoil/ It is unlikely that the savings generated at a single oil-change site would justify the cost and risks associated with the use of unprocessed used oil. The only practical option is to have the used oil collected, processed, and used or regenerated at a larger, industrial-size plant, which can assure compliance with environmental standards. Here is some research on motor oil regeneration from Kazachstan: ...Maximum processing rate for the raw material 70000 tons a year http://www.tech-db.ru/istc/db/pra.nsf/pran/5205 It is a small unit, but the use of radioactive materials is likely to conflict with U.S. regulations for urban environments. The answer your question, so far, is negative: While the energy content is there, the other considerations make its extraction on a small scale uneconomical. However, the topic is an important subject of current research. The US government conducts and supports research into alternative fuels. Some grants and lots of data are available for small businesses. Here is an example of a progress report on the regeneration of motor fuel. http://www.utpb.edu/pubinfo/OilGasResearch.html Many of the US information sources are listed here: http://clearinghouse.ces.utexas.edu/fundoppslnks.htm Here is an example of a small business grant: http://www.rgs.uci.edu/research/fundopp/msg00879.html The possibility of a partnership with a national laboratory could and should be explored. By tapping into the DOE resources such as www.netl.doe.gov/publications/factsheets/ program/Prog011.pdf you will be informed about current research results and possibly find an opportunity for some cooperative pilot project. It is a good idea and important project. I wish you luck. SEARCH TERMS used .. motor oil, renegeration, purification, resuse DOE , alt fuels, SBIR and as explained above hedgie | |
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Re: USED MOTOR OIL AS FUEL FOR GENERATING ELECTRICITY
From: snsh-ga on 23 Aug 2003 21:26 PDT |
turning garbage into oil...might be relevant: http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/print_version/visualize0603.asp |
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Re: USED MOTOR OIL AS FUEL FOR GENERATING ELECTRICITY
From: stevenpace-ga on 12 Oct 2003 08:06 PDT |
I don't mean to be discouraging, but I think it is unlikely that an internal combustion type engine could run efficiently on used motor oil. The reason I think so is that the motor oil was not designed as a fuel, it has chemicals in it to make it do its job better as a lubricant, and lower the viscosity increase when it is heated. The result when it is burned would be different for each different brand of oil, each different grade. A batch of used oil would probably have some sythetic oil in it, oil addatives, not to mention the metal framents. Efficiency of an internal combustion motor relies on the right temperature and fuel air mixture. With such a colorful mixture of hydrocarbons, it would be a real challange to find the right mixture, and it would change from one batch to the next. I think that such an industrial engine would need very frequent de-carboning of the carborator and frequent oil changes. And I think you would always have a problem with it burning a bit smokey. My suggestions on the general direction to take, either follow the boiler idea, or try to find some way of some pre-refining of the oil. You could, for example heat it, take the lighter or heavier half, then you might have something. Seems like a lot of engineering, much more logical to start with a large plant, then try to make a smaller one, but good luck. I like the idea of making something useful out of waste. |
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Re: USED MOTOR OIL AS FUEL FOR GENERATING ELECTRICITY
From: stevenpace-ga on 12 Oct 2003 23:50 PDT |
maybe you should search "hydrocarbons" used to generate electricity as well. Some potentional processes might work with "any old hydrocarbon". Consider the old water gas reaction C+H20 -> CO+H2. note:Pure hydrogen burns in unmodified gasoline engine. In fact, hydrogen works better in a gasoline engine than gasoline does. You could remove the CO using a standard catolitic converter. I think the water gas reaction is very hot, probably too hot for your purposes, but it is just one example. |
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Re: USED MOTOR OIL AS FUEL FOR GENERATING ELECTRICITY
From: stevep234-ga on 22 Oct 2003 11:31 PDT |
What are your thoughts on using "old" technology? The old 2.5 ton army trucks had a multi-fuel diesel engine with an injection system that would sense the viscosity and type of fuel being pumped and also had some very efficient high capacity fuel filtering. These trucks are relatively inexpensive and I know for a fact that in addition to running ok on diesel, gasoline, and keroscene, they work just fine on used vegetable oil from the local fast-food store. I know I once came across a web site about a year ago that makes special pre-filters and fuel-line pre-heaters for the expressed purpose of running these and other diesel truck engines on other fuel types for extended times. Your comments, anyone? |
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Re: USED MOTOR OIL AS FUEL FOR GENERATING ELECTRICITY
From: johnnylawnmower-ga on 22 Oct 2003 18:43 PDT |
STEVEP234: Thanks for the input. I would indeed be interested in the type of system you refer to. I would appreciate any references you might have which I could pursue. I managed to find a quote essentially as follows: mix 10% diesel fuel with waste crankcase oil, and a (type x) engine will run all day. Unfortunately, the engine referenced was obsolete and no longer produced. Such a mixture (90% "free" fuel) would make the economics acceptable. Again, I would welcome any reference you can provide. |
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Re: USED MOTOR OIL AS FUEL FOR GENERATING ELECTRICITY
From: stevep234-ga on 23 Oct 2003 23:44 PDT |
Hi, The engines I'm referring to are simply called multi-fuel diesel engines. They were manufactured by several different companies from the late 40's or early 50's through the 70's and are still used today (but are being phased out) by the Army. These trucks can be found frequently on ebay for $3,000 to $6,000 depending how restored the truck is (search under "military truck"). They are not rare, and finding one with only 25,000 miles on it seems to be common. (A rust bucket with low miles that runs well may go for slightly less than $1000. That might be all you need as it will definitely be powerful enough to run a generator to power your house plus a neighbors.) They are also sold by about 3 different dealers in the US. Boyce Equipment Co. in Utah comes to mind. They sell complete trucks and/or disassemble them for parts (selling rebuilt axles from these trucks for the monster truck market is a major part of their business) I'm sure their mechanics can tell you all you need to know about the multi-fuel engines in these trucks. Check their web site, it probably lists the price of just the engine. Many people over the years disable the multi-fuel injection part, because they only intend on using diesel. So if you buy such a truck or engine, be certain the multi-fuel part is connected and in complete working condition. The repair of these systems is very well documented, but diesel mechanics still charge up the butt to work on these fuel injection systems, which is another reason people frequently convert these engines to diesel injection only. I seriously considered buying one of these trucks for conversion to an all wheel drive camper/motor home. This was partly based on a conversation I had with a company that sells conversion kits that allow any fuel injected diesel engine to run on used vegetable oil, like found at fast food restaurants. I remember him saying that these trucks don't need his conversion kit, because, as is, they run just fine on vegetable oil, and he only recommended his prefilter. It seems to me if they run ok on vegetable oil, they would probably run ok on motor oil too. In fact he went on to say that because the injection system in these multi-fuel trucks is entirely mechanical, and not electronic, they actually run more dependably as they are constantly lubed by the oil going through them, as opposed to just only using diesel fuel. In actual use, he said to run the engine on diesel until the engine warmed up, then switch to the oil. And at shut-down time, to switch back to diesel for five minutes to flush the oil out of the lines, before shut down, otherwise it would be hard to start the next time. I don't recall the name of the company selling the diesel conversion kits and prefilters, but I know I found it with google searching "diesel engine conversion" or something similar like "convert diesel engine" or some wording like that. They were also 50 to 100 pages down, so it will take some looking, but they are there (or they were). I hope this might give you a different direction to be looking. Let me know if it helps. Thanks. Steve |
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