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Subject:
Technological Change --- Is it really accelerating?
Category: Science > Technology Asked by: nronronronro-ga List Price: $3.00 |
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24 Aug 2003 18:58 PDT
Expires: 23 Sep 2003 18:58 PDT Question ID: 248345 |
Hi There ! Moore's Law and other "common wisdom" state that technological change is not only fast, but getting faster and faster each year...that technology growth is exponential and not linear. Who are some people who believe the converse? That is to say, who would say: "Technology is great, but it follows normal S-curves. There is nothing special about the growth in technology." A 5-star answer would be 2-4 names. This is an easy question----no sources, web sites, documentation, or other text is needed. Just the names. (I would like to do the background reading myself.) All comments greatly appreciated ! ron |
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Re: Technological Change --- Is it really accelerating?
From: snsh-ga on 25 Aug 2003 03:12 PDT |
I'm sure you are aware that Moore's law is very specific, addressing transistors not technology in general. I for one don't think change is accelerating right now. For a technology historian point-of-view, I recommend James Burke's Connections series which was produced in the 1980's, and you can now get on VHS. He was cautious that change seem to be accelerating, but also showed technology growing in spurts, triggered by certain inventions (like better guns, cars, metallurgy, medicines, that sort of thing). |
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Re: Technological Change --- Is it really accelerating?
From: omnivorous-ga on 25 Aug 2003 04:19 PDT |
Nikolai Kondratiev wrote about waves of economic/social/political change produced by major technology change. Watch out for this subject because there are lots of stock market investment books on the "K-wave" theory that don't do his original work justice. Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: Technological Change --- Is it really accelerating?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 25 Aug 2003 11:41 PDT |
Since you would like to savor the experience of hunting down the references yourself, I will not post links, but only a couple of names: Ilkka Tuomi Laszlo Kish |
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Re: Technological Change --- Is it really accelerating?
From: smudgy-ga on 25 Aug 2003 12:36 PDT |
Hi nronronronro, Someone once commented (and if I could remember the source I would post it in an instant) something along the following lines. Think of what would happen if you got teleported from now into 1950. A lot of things would be different, technologically speaking (much less automation and computerization, medicine at a much less advanced point than it is today, space exploration just being considered a realistic possibility), but by and large you would not have much trouble getting around in society: Most of the basic technologies are still there: telephone, automobile, electric power, assembly lines, jet planes, even the core information in medicine is still basically the same (immunizations, a strong understanding of bacterial growth and infection, etc). All in all, while things would certainly be different, the world would largely be recognizable and comfortable for you to live in. However, imagine if 50's icons Ozzie and Harriet got teleported into the past fifty years to 1900. Almost everything would be alien to them. The automobile hardly exists as they (or we) know it; the telephone is a novelty; television is a glimmer in some fantasist's eye; there are no heavier-than-air aircraft, electricity is only beginning to be worked with and even natural gas transmission is in the relatively formative stages. The world of medicine is only beginning to recognize the existence of cellular biology and understand the basis of infectious disease. There are no antibiotics; the flu still kills millions regularly, as do polio and smallpox. Most of the creature comforts that we are familiar with, which existed even in the 50's, are absent from the 1900's, or at best at their genesis. It is relativley clear that at least in this past century, most of the great leaps in technology occurred in the first half of the century. The second half of the century had more advances in space, advanced communications, computers, and medicine, but most of these are simply refinements of things that had come into existence already. On the other hand, the period from the 1880's to the 1950's saw incredible advances, genuinely new inventions, etc. Good luck, smudgy. |
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Re: Technological Change --- Is it really accelerating?
From: nronronronro-ga on 26 Aug 2003 13:44 PDT |
snsh & omnivorous----excellent leads. I will look into them immediately. Thank you! ron |
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Re: Technological Change --- Is it really accelerating?
From: nronronronro-ga on 26 Aug 2003 13:48 PDT |
pinkfreud---your range of knowledge never ceases to amaze me. Thanks! ron P.S. fyi----Just found this. Tuomi will be debating this very issue soon... TECHNOLOGICAL ACCELERATION: A HIDDEN LAW OF NATURE? Technologist and Singularity Researcher Kurzweil to Debate Vitalist Denton and Techno-Philosopher Tuomi at "Accelerating Change Conference" STANFORD UNIVERSITY (August 18, 2003) - Ray Kurzweil, noted inventor, software developer and futurist, will present his work on "the law of accelerating returns" and debate its merits with biologist Michael Denton and innovation theorist Ilkka Tuomi to kick off a weekend conference devoted to rigorous examination of the apparent acceleration of technology's development, and the way it affects the human world. |
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Re: Technological Change --- Is it really accelerating?
From: nronronronro-ga on 26 Aug 2003 13:51 PDT |
smudgy----your thought experiment is fantastic. I am especially intrigued with the notion of tectonic "paradigm shifts" (circa 1880-1950) versus "consolidation periods" (circa 1950-2003). Thanks ! ron |
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Re: Technological Change --- Is it really accelerating?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 26 Aug 2003 16:41 PDT |
Wow. Kurzweil debating Tuomi at Stanford. Wish I could have been there. In case you haven't been following Kurzweil, here's an interesting short article that summarizes some of his views: http://www.fundlibrary.com/tfl/FACentre/Promenade/p_ProsPromenadeDetail.cfm?IB=6695 |
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Re: Technological Change --- Is it really accelerating?
From: nronronronro-ga on 27 Aug 2003 17:38 PDT |
Thanks, pinkfreud! Just downloaded the article. I appreciate it! ron |
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