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WW1 - Optimistic Utterances at the outset
Category: Relationships and Society > Politics Asked by: probonopublico-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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25 Aug 2003 09:35 PDT
Expires: 24 Sep 2003 09:35 PDT Question ID: 248535 |
In Britain, there was apparently the belief that 'It would all be over in six months'. What was the source? And what other optimistic slogans did the rounds? If anyone can do a run down on France, Russia, Germany or Austria, please comment and I will serve supplementaries ... provided you answer in English. Many thanks! |
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Re: WW1 - Optimistic Utterances at the outset
Answered By: scriptor-ga on 26 Aug 2003 13:19 PDT Rated: |
Dear Bryan, Your wish is my command ... herby, I post my text as an answer. In the book "The Great War", a photograph from August 1914 (p. 54/55) shows cheering German soldiers in the open door of a railway freightcar. There are three slogans written in chalk on the waggon: "Ausflug nach Paris" = "Trip to Paris" "Auf Wiedersehen auf dem Boulevard" = "See you on the boulevard [of Paris]" "Auf in den Kampf, mir juckt die Säbelspitze" = "Into the fight, my sabre's trip is itchy" The first two slogans show clearly what the soldiers expected: To be in Paris real soon, victorious. One should note that these slogans do not even indicate that serious fighting might be necessary. It was a common belief that the French were un-soldierly cowards who would be no match for the German troops. The third slogan, however, is connected with fighting - but in a overly self-confident way that leaves no room for the possibility of defeat. In fact, the "sabre's tip" does not even really belong in the 20th century anymore. Cavalry attacks with sabres were an anachronism in the age of the machine gun, and the strategists knew it. Despite of that, the "romantic" or "heroic" image of yesterday's wars remained in all the heads. In the same book, we read on p. 60: "What all [German] strategists anticipated was a more furious replay of the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-1." Picture and quotation source: Winter / Baggett: The Great War. Penguin Studio, 1996. ISBN 0-670-87119-2 A similar photograph in "History - Geheimnisse des 20. Jahrhunderts" (p.39) also shows cheering German soldiers in the windows of a passenger railway car. On the waggon, big chalk characters read: "Von München über Metz nach Paris" - "From Munich via Metz to Paris" Written in the style of a train route sign, this slogan makes clear that the soldiers were absolutely sure that the victory over France would be no more dangerous and exhausting than a trip by train. Mentioning the French town of Metz as stopover, where German forces defeated the French in 1870, adds a special flavor of "We'll just repeat our grand victory". Picture source: Guido Knopp: Geheimnisse des 20. Jahrhunderts. C. Bertelsmann, 2002. ISBN 3-570-00665-4 The most optimistic and also definitive slogan of August 1914 came from H.M. The Kaiser himself: "'Ihr werdet zu Hause sein, ehe noch das Laub von den Bäumen fällt', versprach der Kaiser seinen Soldaten." = "'You will be home again yet before the leaves fall from the trees', the Kaiser promised his soldiers." Quotation source: Christian Zentner: Illustrierte Geschichte des Ersten Weltkriegs. Südwest 1980 (p. 32) Now, why did everybody in Germany obviously believe that the war would be over before the year 1914 ended? Mainly because the majority of Germans had no reason to believe anything else: The three wars that led to the German position in Europe (Prussia/Austria vs. Denmark, 1864; Prussia vs. Austria and her German allies, 1866; Prussia as leader of the German states vs. France, 1870/71) had been "fast" wars. No one could imagine anything else, and the fact that not a single European country had prepared for a long war led to the common belief that such a war was simply impossible - the weaker side would simply collapse quickly. "Only unprogressive minds dared to imagine that the war could last longer that one season; after all, general mobilisation (...) meant a radical disturbance of life that could not continue for long. So the thought was predominant that a modern war necessarily had to be a short war, too." (Marc Ferro: Der Große Krieg 1914-1918. Suhrkamp, 1988, p. 58) Thank you and best regards, Scriptor |
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Great Stuff, Scriptor Many thanks! |
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Re: WW1 - Optimistic Utterances at the outset
From: scriptor-ga on 25 Aug 2003 10:56 PDT |
There were, as far as I remember, certain slogans in Germany. Most common were those saying "We all will be home again for Christmas" (victorious, that is). But I would have do to some library research for that. Scriptor |
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Re: WW1 - Optimistic Utterances at the outset
From: probonopublico-ga on 25 Aug 2003 11:34 PDT |
Hi, Scriptor That would be great. But can I afford 'library research'? Give me a price and, if it's OK, I'll post another question. Many thanks! Bryan |
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Re: WW1 - Optimistic Utterances at the outset
From: scriptor-ga on 25 Aug 2003 12:56 PDT |
I have a better idea, Bryan: I will be in the library tomorrow for other research. While I'm there, I will simply see if I can find optimistic German war slogans from 1914 - and if I locate something that seems worth your money, I will let you know in a comment here. Otherwise, I will post what I got for free. We aim to please our regular customers ;-) Greetings, Scriptor |
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Re: WW1 - Optimistic Utterances at the outset
From: omnivorous-ga on 25 Aug 2003 13:37 PDT |
Bryan -- Newspapers and their editorials are often the best way to gauge the temperment of the times. Perhaps one of the other researchers has excellent access to U.K. newspapers of the time; I could check the NY Times if you'd like. But we have a 1944 Encyclopedia Britannica in this house and the article in it titled "World War I" was written by Capt. S.T.H. Wilton, R.N. (retired), former Assisant Director of Naval Ordnance, Admiralty, London. In it he notes that the British notion of the "short war" relied on an overwhelming surface Navy; ignored the advent of submarines; and relied on a highly trained but SMALL professional fighting force -- once that was very mobile thanks to naval support. Wilton writes, "In this idea of a short war lay also the regason for the comparative disregard of economic forces. Of the belligerants, all could feed themselves save Britain and Germany, and Germany's deficit of home-grown supplies could only be serious in the event of a struggle of years. But Britain would starve in 3 months if her outside supplies were cut off." It ignored several other factors but I think the above provides the kernel of belief that the war would be short. Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: WW1 - Optimistic Utterances at the outset
From: probonopublico-ga on 25 Aug 2003 22:40 PDT |
Many thanks, Scriptor & Omnivorous Your advice and helpfulness are greatly appreciated. Regards Bryan |
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Re: WW1 - Optimistic Utterances at the outset
From: scriptor-ga on 26 Aug 2003 09:31 PDT |
Dear Bryan, Here are the results of my visit to the library today: In the book "The Great War", a photograph from August 1914 (p. 54/55) shows cheering German soldiers in the open door of a railway freightcar. There are three slogans written in chalk on the waggon: "Ausflug nach Paris" = "Trip to Paris" "Auf Wiedersehen auf dem Boulevard" = "See you on the boulevard [of Paris]" "Auf in den Kampf, mir juckt die Säbelspitze" = "Into the fight, my sabre's trip is itchy" The first two slogans show clearly what the soldiers expected: To be in Paris real soon, victorious. One should note that these slogans do not even indicate that serious fighting might be necessary. It was a common belief that the French were un-soldierly cowards who would be no match for the German troops. The third slogan, however, is connected with fighting - but in a overly self-confident way that leaves no room for the possibility of defeat. In fact, the "sabre's tip" does not even really belong in the 20th century anymore. Cavalry attacks with sabres were an anachronism in the age of the machine gun, and the strategists knew it. Despite of that, the "romantic" or "heroic" image of yesterday's wars remained in all the heads. In the same book, we read on p. 60: "What all [German] strategists anticipated was a more furious replay of the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-1." Picture and quotation source: Winter / Baggett: The Great War. Penguin Studio, 1996. ISBN 0-670-87119-2 A similar photograph in "History - Geheimnisse des 20. Jahrhunderts" (p.39) also shows cheering German soldiers in the windows of a passenger railway car. On the waggon, big chalk characters read: "Von München über Metz nach Paris" - "From Munich via Metz to Paris" Written in the style of a train route sign, this slogan makes clear that the soldiers were absolutely sure that the victory over France would be no more dangerous and exhausting than a trip by train. Mentioning the French town of Metz as stopover, where German forces defeated the French in 1870, adds a special flavor of "We'll just repeat our grand victory". Picture source: Guido Knopp: Geheimnisse des 20. Jahrhunderts. C. Bertelsmann, 2002. ISBN 3-570-00665-4 The most optimistic and also definitive slogan of August 1914 came from H.M. The Kaiser himself: "'Ihr werdet zu Hause sein, ehe noch das Laub von den Bäumen fällt', versprach der Kaiser seinen Soldaten." = "'You will be home again yet before the leaves fall from the trees', the Kaiser promised his soldiers." Quotation source: Christian Zentner: Illustrierte Geschichte des Ersten Weltkriegs. Südwest 1980 (p. 32) Now, why did everybody in Germany obviously believe that the war would be over before the year 1914 ended? Mainly because the majority of Germans had no reason to believe anything else: The three wars that led to the German position in Europe (Prussia/Austria vs. Denmark, 1864; Prussia vs. Austria and her German allies, 1866; Prussia as leader of the German states vs. France, 1870/71) had been "fast" wars. No one could imagine anything else, and the fact that not a single European country had prepared for a long war led to the common belief that such a war was simply impossible - the weaker side would simply collapse quickly. "Only unprogressive minds dared to imagine that the war could last longer that one season; after all, general mobilisation (...) meant a radical disturbance of life that could not continue for long. So the thought was predominant that a modern war necessarily had to be a short war, too." (Marc Ferro: Der Große Krieg 1914-1918. Suhrkamp, 1988, p. 58) Hope this proves interesting, Bryan! Greetings, Scriptor |
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Re: WW1 - Optimistic Utterances at the outset
From: probonopublico-ga on 26 Aug 2003 10:54 PDT |
Brilliant, Scriptor. Many thanks. No one else has emerged to keep you company, so please post your comment as an answer. If anyone else should emerge with info on a different country, then I'll post a further question. Kindest regards Bryan |
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Re: WW1 - Optimistic Utterances at the outset
From: fp-ga on 26 Aug 2003 13:22 PDT |
The photograph from August 1914 mentioned by Sciptor is presumably the one shown here (with the slogans "Ausflug nach Paris" = "Trip to Paris" and "Auf Wiedersehen auf dem Boulevard" = "See you on the boulevard [of Paris]"): http://home.arcor.de/maria.rentsch/History/1Krieg.htm http://home.arcor.de/maria.rentsch/History/Bilder/1WKBegei.gif |
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