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Subject: Contradictory Quotes from Prominent Republicans
Category: Reference, Education and News > Current Events
Asked by: rperks-ga
List Price: $150.00
Posted: 26 Aug 2003 11:44 PDT
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Question ID: 248966
I need at least 30 sets of quotes from at least 15 different current
National Republican Party Leaders
(Pres/VP/Cabinet/Senators/Reps)indicating a change in their positions
on major issues. (i.e.  A quote from a few years ago against Federal
Government deficits, and a current quote supporting the deficits.)

Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 14 Sep 2003 06:59 PDT
Rperks,

As I (and a number of other researchers) have found, this is a tough
question to answer. Would you accept a voting record as evidence that
somebody's position has changed? It's not going to guarantee you an
answer, but allowing us to use a vote as a "quote" from a leader will
make this a little easier for us to find you something.

/ephraim

Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 14 Sep 2003 19:43 PDT
Rperks,

Does something like the following indicate a change in position?

-=-=-Senator Bill Frist-=-=-

Contradictory statements on having a balanced budget:

===
http://frist.senate.gov/press-item.cfm?id=185331

"Statement On Balanced Budget Amendment Vote

Tuesday, March 4, 1997
Press Release Of Senator Bill Frist, M.D.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Balanced Budget Amendment’s narrow defeat in
the Senate today is truly a loss for the American people. It would
have ensured fiscal responsibility and guaranteed a balanced budget
well after 2002. Hardworking Americans would have reaped the benefits
in lower interest rates and more money in their pockets -- about $125
more per family per month.

We had a choice today -- to tie the hands of Washington spenders or to
tie the hands of American families. The President and many Senate
Democrats chose to tie the hands of American families. I supported the
Balanced Budget Amendment and will continue to fight for it in the
future."

===
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june03/frist_5-27.html

May 27, 2003

"JIM LEHRER: How does raising the deficit make the deficit go away?

SEN. BILL FRIST: Well, not raising the deficit - having a jobs and
growth package that actually does that; it makes the overall pie of
the economy bigger; it grows the GDP, the Gross Domestic Product; and
it does that by doing two things: by giving everybody who's listening
to me right now in the next sixty days, next sixty to eighty days,
more money to spend, more money in their pocket, more money to invest
in their families, to pay for schools, to pay for books, to pay for
clothes, to buy food, and at the same time through this jobs and
growth package, which, yes, does cost some money now; there's no
question about it, does cost some money now, but creates jobs by
investing in small businesses, by giving the appropriation what's
called bonus depreciation, and appropriate deductions so that
businesses can go out and hire more people and produce more products.
By giving individuals more money to spend and also creating more jobs
in the economy, we will be able to grow that economy, which over time
will make that deficit disappear."


One of the reasons your question is so difficult to answer is that
politicians do not lightly admit that they're backtracking. Without
the context, it's hard to realize that Bill Frist's later quote is
actually admitting that he's willing to raise the budget deficit and
move even farther away from a balanced budget. At no point in the
quote does he ever admit that tax cuts will actually unbalance the
budget even further. But, on closer analysis, he's basically saying
"Yes, we need to increase the budget deficits now...because doing so
will make them go down later."

Politicans speak in double-speak all the time. Would you accept
something like this pair of quotes as proof that Bill Frist has
changed his position? If you accept these quotes as "indicating a
change in their positions," then I'm willing to try and interpret the
double-speak for you, but you'll have to be willing to accept quotes
that on first glance appear to say the opposite of what they actually
mean.

Let me know, and also let me know if you'll accept a voting record as
proof of a change in opinion.

/ephraim

Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 14 Sep 2003 20:11 PDT
Also, you're asking for "30 sets." Is one "set" a pair of
contradicting quotes? That means you want 60 quotes total?

Keep in mind that if you want 60 quotes, the researcher who answers
this will only get $2.50/quote, and that finding even a single
contradicting pair is an incredibly tedious process of going through
multiple documents.

/ephraim

Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 16 Sep 2003 13:11 PDT
Hi!

There's 8 days left on this question before it automatically expires.
If you're still interested in receiving an answer, I'd recommend
replying to the clarification requests...the research for this
question could easily take a few days to compile.

/ephraim

Clarification of Question by rperks-ga on 18 Sep 2003 16:46 PDT
ephraim-ga -  Sorry for the delay in responding.  That's 30 sets of
quotes from at least 15 individuals as specified.  Your quote from
Frist is more than adequate.  thanks,  rperks

Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 19 Sep 2003 15:50 PDT
Reperks,

Thanks for the follow-up. I've currently got about 10 quotes total
from 5 people, and I'm working on getting more. It's a slow process of
going through huge amounts of documents.

I'm still not completely sure I understand what you mean by "30 sets."
Please confirm which of the following you mean:

1) 30 "sets" means that you want 60 quotes, with 30 on each side of
the issue.

2) 30 "sets" means 30 quotes, with 15 on each side of the issue.

I'll try to send another update on Sunday regarding how much I've
found. It is more likely that I'll be able to complete 30 quotes total
instead of 60 by the expiration date on this question.

/ephraim

Clarification of Question by rperks-ga on 20 Sep 2003 13:16 PDT
Sorry my question seems so unclear.  It's 30 sets (pairs) of quotes,
from at least 15 different current National Republican Party Leaders,
indicating a change of position on a major issue.  That would be 60
total quotes.   thanks    rperks

Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 20 Sep 2003 19:05 PDT
OK, some more details about what I've found in my searches.

I've found a single quote from one Republican leader where he bluntly
states that he was wrong and has changed his stance on a particular
issue. I cannot find a "matching" quote where he advocates the
opposite. Given that this person admits his change in stance, are you
willing to accept this single quote as a "set"?

In another case, I've found 5 quotes from a Republican, two on one
side of the issue and three on the other. I think you need all 5 to
really understand how his views on the issue have changed, and I'd
rather not divide these into "sets" of quotes, but just present them
all together.

/ephraim

Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 21 Sep 2003 00:44 PDT
Status report --

I currently have about 10 sets of quotes collected, mostly from
different people. It's taking a while, but I'm making some progress on
this...

/ephraim

Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 21 Sep 2003 22:47 PDT
Hi.

Yet another status update.

At this point, I have quotes from 12 individuals showing position
changes and contradictions. For 11 of these individuals, I have at
least 2 quotes (usually, one for and one against the position) to form
a "set" as you've defined it. In one case, I have a single quote where
the senator admits that he has changed his position.

I'm writing here now to tell you that I'm definitely reaching a point
of diminishing returns on my search strategy. I'm a reasonable well
read person who enjoys reading political editorials every day. I keep
myself informed about current political issues and I follow major
court cases.

Unfortunately, my search is coming close to hitting a brick wall. I'm
pretty sure that I will be able to find you quotes that show a change
in position for at least 15 national Republican leaders in the next 3
days (when this question expires). I'm not sure, however, that I'll be
able to find you 30 "sets" of quotes.

If you'd like, I can detail the reasons for this in my answer, but in
short, politicians rarely admit that they're wrong, rarely change
their opinions on major issues, and rarely provide solid evidence of a
change in position.

There's no easy internet (or even Lexis-Nexis search) which will
provide the information you're looking for. Most of my searches have
included closely tailored search terms combining the name of a
politician with a particular subject. As I run out of ideas, these
searches are providing less and less useful information, and are like
searching for a needle in a haystack.

I've already put 20-25 hours into this. Based on the diminishing
usefulness of the searches that I've been doing, I suspect that by the
deadline, I'll have about 35-40 separate quotes (note: individual
quotes, *not* "sets"!) from 15 different Republicans.

If I'm unable to provide the "30 sets of quotes" that you need, are
you still interested in this information? I'd hate for all my research
to go to waste. If you *must* have exactly "30 sets" than please reply
here so that I can stop my research on this question. If you're
willing to accept as much as I can find by Wednesday morning, then
please advise.

I'm sorry if this isn't exactly what you wanted, but this is an
incredibly tough request. I believe that what I've managed to find so
far will most certainly interest you, and I hope that you're willing
to accept what I have as an answer.

/ephraim

Request for Question Clarification by ephraim-ga on 21 Sep 2003 23:19 PDT
Just a clarification on the clarification. When I was referring to
"35-40 separate quotes" I meant to explain that most of these would be
part of a "set". In some cases, I've felt that more than one quote was
needed to prove a contradiction, and in the case of one cabinet
member, a single quote from years ago compared with 3-4 more recent
quotes provided evidence for multiple changes in that person's
position!

/ephraim
Answer  
Subject: Re: Contradictory Quotes from Prominent Republicans
Answered By: ephraim-ga on 24 Sep 2003 21:50 PDT
 
Hi!

I haven't yet seen a clarification from you regarding whether or not
you're willing to accept what I have as an answer to this question. As
per my prior clarifications, it was virtually impossible in the time
frame given for me to find the 60 quotes that you wanted. I've been
able to find *most* of what you're looking for, but not all of it.

I've put in about 25 hours of research here, and have 16 pages of data
for you. I suspect that what I have will still be of interest to you,
but if I don't post something as a response to this question in the
next few hours, the question will expire, and all of that work will be
for naught. Therefore, I'm going to make the following offer:

Since I've been unable to match all the requirements in your original
question, I don't feel confident posting all my research as an answer.
Without clarification from you that what I've been able to accomplish
is acceptable, my work could be rejected on a technicality. Because of
this, I'm going to post here about 3 out of the 16 pages of work so
that you can get a good idea about what I have, and decide whether or
not you want me to post the remaining 13 pages as a clarification.

What I have for you is about 34 different quotes from about 30
separate web pages and from 12 prominent Republicans. The topics
covered are balanced budgets, the armed forces, the judiciary,
abortion, taxes, gay rights, and nation building. Most of these quotes
are in pairs, though in some cases, I've included more quotes to
better make the point and flesh out the argument.


So, the choice is this:

1) If you like what you see in the 3 pages I'm posting here, clarify
that you'll accept what I have as an answer, and I'll post the the
remaining 13 pages as soon as possible.

2) If what I have does not suit your needs, post a clarification that
you no longer desire this information. If you do this, I will ask
Google to remove my answer and you won't have to pay for it.


Note: I may be out of town this weekend, so if you respond over the
weekend, it may take me until Monday to post the remainder of the
answer.


Here are the 3 sample pages. I hope that this is of use to you:


================================

Bill Frist, Senator (TN), Senate Majority Leader

TOPIC: Balanced budget & deficit

[ http://frist.senate.gov/press-item.cfm?id=185331 ]
 
"Statement On Balanced Budget Amendment Vote 
 
Tuesday, March 4, 1997 
Press Release Of Senator Bill Frist, M.D. 
 
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Balanced Budget Amendment’s narrow defeat in
the Senate today is truly a loss for the American people. It would
have ensured fiscal responsibility and guaranteed a balanced budget
well after 2002. Hardworking Americans would have reaped the benefits
in lower interest rates and more money in their pockets -- about $125
more per family per month.
 
We had a choice today -- to tie the hands of Washington spenders or to
tie the hands of American families. The President and many Senate
Democrats chose to tie the hands of American families. I supported the
Balanced Budget Amendment and will continue to fight for it in the
future."
 
[ http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june03/frist_5-27.html ]
 
(interview transcript, May 27, 2003)
 
"JIM LEHRER: How does raising the deficit make the deficit go away? 
 
SEN. BILL FRIST: Well, not raising the deficit - having a jobs and
growth package that actually does that; it makes the overall pie of
the economy bigger; it grows the GDP, the Gross Domestic Product; and
it does that by doing two things: by giving everybody who's listening
to me right now in the next sixty days, next sixty to eighty days,
more money to spend, more money in their pocket, more money to invest
in their families, to pay for schools, to pay for books, to pay for
clothes, to buy food, and at the same time through this jobs and
growth package, which, yes, does cost some money now; there's no
question about it, does cost some money now, but creates jobs by
investing in small businesses, by giving the appropriation what's
called bonus depreciation, and appropriate deductions so that
businesses can go out and hire more people and produce more products.
By giving individuals more money to spend and also creating more jobs
in the economy, we will be able to grow that economy, which over time
will make that deficit disappear."

================================

Tom DeLay, House Representative (Texas), House Majority Leader

TOPIC: Balanced budget & deficit

[ http://slate.msn.com/id/2082388/ ]

"'By the year 2002, we can have a federal government with a balanced
budget or we can continue down the present path towards total fiscal
catastrophe.'—Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, 1995"

[ http://www.house.gov/genetaylor/floor03-13-03.htm ]

"The gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay) had some interesting statistics.
This is from a speech that he gave on the House floor in 1995:

   'In 1980, each child born that year immediately inherited a debt of
$4,000. That is government debt. By 1985, because no balanced budget
had been adopted, the children that year had inherited a $7,600 debt.
By 1990, our children were burdened with almost $12,800 in debt.'

   This is again from Majority Leader DELAY's floor speech from 1995:

   'Each year every child born in America this year will begin life
with a debt of more than $16,700. Is it any wonder that young families
have trouble saving money for a down payment on a house? Is it any
wonder that the Federal Government's consumption of more than
one-quarter of all our economic activity is driven in interest rates
and stifling economic growth?'"


[ http://www.floydreport.com/view_article.php?lid=543 ]

(article written June 10, 2003)

"'I don't think the growing deficit is going to be damaging to the
economy, because in relation to the gross domestic product it's
relatively small,' said House of Representatives Majority Leader Tom
DeLay, a Texas Republican."


================================

Susan Collins, Senator (Maine)

TOPIC: Gay & Lesbian rights

[ http://home.earthlink.net/~dkennedy56/phoenix_990917maine.html ]

(opinion piece from 1999)

"But though Snowe voted for the federal Employment Non-Discrimination
Act (ENDA), a basic protection for lesbian and gay workers, Collins
leans toward opposing it, saying, 'I think that the gay-rights issue
is better addressed at the state level. I think there would be a lot
of resentment at having Washington impose this law.'"

[ http://www.hrc.org/publications/eu/2002/v02n09.asp#2 ]

(article from April 30, 2002)

"'I have reached the decision to support ENDA because, in the final
analysis, I simply do not believe it is fair to allow discrimination
in the workplace against men and women solely because of their sexual
orientation,' Collins said in her statement. The senator also offered
two amendments that were accepted by voice vote that bring ENDA more
in line with provisions in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964."

================================

Please let me know if you'd like to see the rest,

/ephraim
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