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Subject:
Requirements for "No Left Turn" sign (height off of the ground, etc) for Oregon
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: ticketed_in_oregon-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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29 Aug 2003 01:51 PDT
Expires: 28 Sep 2003 01:51 PDT Question ID: 250105 |
I was ticketed for failure to observe a no left turn sign. What are the specifications and/or requirements that the sign must meet. For example, height off the ground, distance from intersection, and anything else that is required. City is Tigard, Oregon. |
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Re: Requirements for "No Left Turn" sign (height off of the ground, etc) for Oregon
Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 29 Aug 2003 13:36 PDT Rated: |
Hello ticketed_in_oregon-ga, I should emphasize the disclaimer at the bottom of this page, which indicates that answers and comments on Google Answers are general information, and not intended to substitute for informed professional legal advice. If you need such advice, you should contact a lawyer in Oregon. A Google Answers Researcher, as a layperson, can only do general research on this topic, which you might then discuss with a lawyer. Tutuzdad-ga notes a provision that allows the Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT) to select the places and design of road signs. I have found another provision, Section 734-020-0005, where ODOT has apparently made its selection. "DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, HIGHWAY DIVISION - DIVISION 20 - TRAFFIC CONTROL - 734-020-0005 - Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices" The Oregon Administrative Rules http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/rules/OARS_700/OAR_734/734_020.html [See also Section 810.200, to which that rule refers: "Chapter 810 Road Authorities; Courts; Police; Other Enforcement Officials" (2001 Edition) Oregon Revised Statutes http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/810.html ] Specifically, the rule adopts the following standards: "Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices" (MUTCD) (Millenium Edition, with incorporated Revision No. 1 changes, dated December 28, 2001) U.S. Department of Transportation, Federal Highway Administration http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/kno-millennium_12.28.01.htm "Oregon Supplements to the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices" (March 2002 Edition) Oregon Department of Transportation http://www.odot.state.or.us/traffic/PDF/General/Oregon%20Supplements%20(March%202002).pdf It appears that the relevant provisions concerning No Left Turn signs are on Page 2B-17 and 2B-18 of the MUTCD, in Section 2B-17: "CHAPTER 2B. REGULATORY SIGNS" [pages 17-18 of PDF file] U.S. Department of Transportation, Federal Highway Administration http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/millennium/06.14.01/2bndi.pdf You might wish to ask a lawyer what the meaning of these provisions, or other provisions, might be for your situation. - justaskscott-ga Search strategy: Browsed Oregon rules and statutes Searched on Google for: "Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices" Browsed MUTCD | |
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ticketed_in_oregon-ga
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So am I correct to assume that city government can place a "no left turn" sign 12 inches off of the ground and that is considered "adequate"? If so, you guessed it, I won't win. |
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Re: Requirements for "No Left Turn" sign (height off of the ground, etc) for Oregon
From: tutuzdad-ga on 29 Aug 2003 12:06 PDT |
Dear ticketed_in_oregon-ga; Unless you were ticketed in a location off the state highway where a local goverment maintains the signs and a local ordinance mandates specifics with regard to the dimensions, distances and height of signage, you appear to be out of luck as far as using this as your defense. It looks like the state is well within its right to post signs in any manner it sees fit: OREGON REVISED STATUTES CHAPTER 366 http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/366.html "366.450 Road signs. The Department of Transportation may erect and maintain such directional road and other signs on the state highways at such places and of such material and design as it selects. [Amended by 1957 c.663 §1]" Let me know if this answers your question and I will be happy to close it for you. Regards; Tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Requirements for "No Left Turn" sign (height off of the ground, etc) for Oregon
From: ticketed_in_oregon-ga on 29 Aug 2003 14:29 PDT |
By the way, this gives me enough information to make my case. You may close this. Thanks. |
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Re: Requirements for "No Left Turn" sign (height off of the ground, etc) for Oregon
From: ticketed_in_oregon-ga on 29 Aug 2003 14:34 PDT |
Wait a minute. Don't close this yet. You said in your reply "Unless you were ticketed in a location off the state highway where a local goverment maintains the signs and a local ordinance mandates specifics with regard to the dimensions, distances and height of signage," According to my question as written, "the city is Tigard, Oregon" thus, local ordinances apply. I am specifically looking for these ordinances to make my case. The ticket did NOT occur on a state highway but OFF the highway. Could you please post traffic sign ordinances for Tigard, Oregon. I have already been to the tigard site "http://www.ci.tigard.or.us/city_hall/departments/municipal_court/violations.asp" and its subdirectories. I would rather not close this until I get answers specific to Tigard as stated. Thanks Thanks. |
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Re: Requirements for "No Left Turn" sign (height off of the ground, etc) for Oregon
From: justaskscott-ga on 29 Aug 2003 15:26 PDT |
If there is a local ordinance, it would probably be here: http://www.ci.tigard.or.us/business/municipal_code/title-10.asp The site is very slow at the moment, so I haven't been able to check these provisions. Perhaps when you look at them, they will load more quickly. |
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