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Why does it take longer to fly London to US, than US to London?
Category: Science > Earth Sciences Asked by: timpharrison-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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29 Aug 2003 02:24 PDT
Expires: 28 Sep 2003 02:24 PDT Question ID: 250111 |
Why does it take approximately two hours longer to travel from London to the US, than the other way? Is it anything to do with the rotation of the earth? |
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Re: Why does it take longer to fly London to US, than US to London?
Answered By: robertskelton-ga on 29 Aug 2003 02:49 PDT Rated: |
Hi there, I figured I could answer this question, because every time I fly between Australia and NZ the same thing happens, and I have always been told it is because of the wind. Next month my flight to NZ will take 3.5 hours, and the return trip will take 2.5 hours. When you take into consideration all the time taken up with takeoff and landing, that indicates quite a strong wind! For Heathrow to Chicago: "I checked the departure and arrival times of a Boeing 777, which has an advertised cruise speed of 560 mph (900 km/h). After figuring the time elapsed of each trip, I found that the average speed of the trip from Chicago to Heathrow is about 525 mph (845 km/h), while the average speed of the return trip is only about 440 mph (710 km/h)! Notice that not only are both trips considerably slower than the published cruise speed, but the return trip average speed is over 80 mph slower than the original flight! " http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/dynamics/q0057.shtml The article goes into much more detail, but declares the main reason to be wind. It links to a similar question and answer, which dispels the idea of the Earth's rotation making any difference: "Now stop running. If you were to jump straight up in the air, would the Earth rotate beneath you? (Those who do believe that the Earth rotates around them may want to stop reading right now.) No, because when you left the Earth's surface, you were traveling at the same speed as the surface, so, in essence, the Earth matched your speed through space while you were in the air! The same condition holds true for an airplane as it travels from Los Angeles to Bombay. If we were to ignore the winds, no matter which direction you flew from Los Angeles, the speed of the aircraft relative to the Earth would be the same. While the aircrafts speed through space would change, the effect of the Earths rotation remains constant, and in effect is "cancelled out" no matter which direction you travel. In other words, the speed of the rotation of the Earth is already imparted to the aircraft, and the Earth matches that speed during the entire flight. (Of course, in the case of spacecraft, these speeds become very important.) " http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/dynamics/q0027.shtml Search keywords: longer london "new york" fly tailwind Best wishes, robertskelton-ga |
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Re: Why does it take longer to fly London to US, than US to London?
From: probonopublico-ga on 29 Aug 2003 04:05 PDT |
Fascinating stuff. A slower speed obviously means less fuel consumption which may be important for airlines that are feeling the pinch. I wonder if the differential reported holds true for all airlines? Also, arrival times may be a factor. Are there restrictions on flying in some parts and at some times that affect one direction but not the other? |
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Re: Why does it take longer to fly London to US, than US to London?
From: rollog60-ga on 29 Aug 2003 10:23 PDT |
Whilst the headwind/tailwind is the major factor here, I wonder if slightly different routes each way might also contribute. There may be seasonal factors as well. Also, not to be contrary, but if the the slower speeds are caused by a headwind as opposed to a lower engine speed, I don't think the fuel consumption will be better due to the aircraft travelling slower. Just a couple of thoughts. |
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Re: Why does it take longer to fly London to US, than US to London?
From: darrenw-ga on 01 Sep 2003 23:07 PDT |
The rotation of the Earth has no effect on the time it takes for an aircraft to fly from one point to another. The aircraft and the air around it is part of the Earth. It's the same when you jump up in the air from the ground - you land in the same place. Airlines do try and make use of the jetstreams where possible. These are fast moving winds that circle the Earth and move at approx. 300mph. |
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Re: Why does it take longer to fly London to US, than US to London?
From: lyzzy-ga on 20 Feb 2005 13:42 PST |
I disagree with darrenw-ga. No doubt if you jump up into the air, you would land on the same place where you started. However, this is due to the miniscule amount which you jumped (one meter)- the earth's rotation has no visible effect whatsoever. However, for an airplane, which travels several thousands of miles to reach London, the earth's rotation would have an effect on the direction of the airplane. This is called the Coriolis Force. |
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Re: Why does it take longer to fly London to US, than US to London?
From: nickb123-ga on 10 Mar 2005 07:34 PST |
I'm travelling London -> Miami and vice versa later this month and the times are 1 hour different. It's to go with the wind (the 'north atlantic drift'). When you fly London -> USA you fly into the wind, so the flight takes 9hrs 45mins. On the way back you fly with the wind, so it takes 8hrs 45mins. Imagine going to a local restaurant about 1/2 mile away on a windy day. On the way their you walk against the wind. It's hard work and it takes 15 minutes. On the way back the wind is behind you, pushing you home and the same journey takes 10 minutes. It's the same principal with the flights. It's all about wind hindering you one way, and helping you the other way. It does make a big difference (with a strong tail wind you can actually save as much as 2 hrs USA -> London) NickB |
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