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Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
Category: Computers > Operating Systems Asked by: basesurge-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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01 Sep 2003 12:54 PDT
Expires: 01 Oct 2003 12:54 PDT Question ID: 251121 |
I'm running Win98SE on a home brew system with a Athelon 2000XP chip,GeForce2 video card 512mb of DDR, 1 120GB HDD and another 20GB HDD. I'm having constant problems with Windows Explorer (not IE) siezing up, hanging, generating BSODs etc. It starts this when doing I/O operations in any quanitiy especially deletes (seems to be related to the number of files involved--but I can't be sure). Windows will run real slow--not shutting windows or showing files as moved or deleted. The problem gets progressivly worse until the whole OS siezes up or I get a BSOD. A reboot will fix the problem for a while. M$ Tech support says this is because WIN98 doesn't support large partitians so I devided the disc into 4 partitians which should be small enough but it still does this crap (on all 4 partitians BTW) Please don't tell me to upgrade to XP, I already heard that from M$. I'm looking for a cheaper and less drastic solution (I still don't trust XP). | |
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Re: Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
From: legolas-ga on 01 Sep 2003 14:03 PDT |
My guess is a bad RAM chip.. But, these types of probablems are impossible to diagnose over Google Answers (IMHO). See if replacing the RAM fixes the problem.. BTW, XP is actually not that bad--this from a real Linux Guru that dispises everything MS. |
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Re: Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
From: basesurge-ga on 01 Sep 2003 14:44 PDT |
Another bad RAM stick--sigh. Thanks. |
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Re: Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
From: snsh-ga on 02 Sep 2003 02:19 PDT |
boot into safe boot and delete extra things from device manager. enable SMART for your disk drives in your bios settings. swap out/in ram modules. upgrade to win2000, or even winxp -- bad stories when it came out but they've had time enough to work out the worst bugs. |
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Re: Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
From: hobbes1220-ga on 03 Sep 2003 01:53 PDT |
Haha. You GA kids are cute. =) If you suspect bad ram, *test it*. Don't just tell him to buy a new one. ;) http://www.memtest86.com "Memtest86 is thorough, stand alone memory test for x86 architecture computers." And, anyway, deleting files is not memory intensive, so I don't suspect bad ram. (Doesn't mean that you shouldn't test your ram, basesurge.) I would suspect norton antivirus. Disable/remove it. Then delete some files.. Still have the mass-deletion-causes-slow-down problem? .. Yeah? Ok, try this. .. And, I'm not sure about this, it's just a feeling that I have.. Go into system properties, performance tab. Hit the filesystem button, and set "Typical role of this computer" to "desktop", not "network server". .. This setting controls the filesystem/harddisk cache in some way. My computer does seem to have slightly better performance when deleting large numbers of files, when set to desktop. Your mileage my vary. Also, maybe yours is already set to desktop, since that is the default. =) MS Tech support is probably right. This problem never happened to me in the old days, days when I had smaller hard drives. It's definately some sort of limitation in win98. =( Hope this helps. |
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Re: Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
From: feilong-ga on 17 Sep 2003 01:33 PDT |
I've noticed this problem a long time ago. I believe that it is not caused by defective RAM or Norton Antivirus. Why? Try deleting large amounts of data in safe mode where NAV or any other antivirus or TSR programs are totally disabled and you'll still get the same result even with a brand new RAM. But try to delete large amounts of data in normal Windows mode using MS-DOS prompt with all the TSR programs and Norton Antivirus and you won't experience that slowdown problem. This problem also occurs in Win95. I've been using MS-DOS prompt for deleting large files in Windows since I first used Win95. Another workaround I use is ACDSee. MS Tech support is correct. It is a limitation of Win9x system. It's weird that deleting large files via Windows system integrated applications produces this problem which I personally call as "RAM choke". In this case, system hang and BSOD happens when too much data is deleted. |
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Re: Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
From: storm21-ga on 29 Sep 2003 10:40 PDT |
You can try a few of these tricks below click start run: Msconfig, Click system.ini, double click , 386enh, Click new and type in ConservativeSwapFileUsage click apply. Then click new again, type in IRQ[10]=4096 Do the same through irq12 Then click new type MinPagingFileSize=2095104 MaxPagingFileSize=2095104 MaxPhysPage=1FFFF Your problem is with memory management not the chip itself. I have had the problem before. Check your start-up services. MSCONFIG- Startup tab. Uncheck everything you really don't need running. After all that, you can click run-regedit Then click hkey_local_machine\system\current control set\session manager\memory manager. Look to your right and change the following IoPageLockLimit to 4096 (decimal) NOT HEX! Change LargSysteCache to 1(Decimal) If neither of these are present create right click then new Dword. While under session manger scroll up on the left side until you see control right click then new key. Type Priority control. Now on the left creat the following Dwords Priority control Then double click it and type 1 (decimal) Then close regedit. Right click my computer icon. Go to performance file system, change typical role of computer to network server. Hopefully these changes should fix your lock-up and bsod problems :) |
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Re: Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
From: skeifrmeister-ga on 03 Oct 2003 09:05 PDT |
The FAT32 filesystem was not really designed for 120 GB hard disks. The data structures can go bad even on a 7 GB partition, as I have learned to my cost. Ever tried a defrag on a big partition? Life is too short! Moral: use another operating system for big hard disks. By the way, if it works in DOS this suggests something wrong with the Windows 32 bit drivers. I too used to suffer from system stall when I deleted a large file from Win98, but now I'm using XP at work and this has its own set of problems... You could always try another source of Operating System, i.e. Open Source... |
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Re: Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
From: saywhat-ga on 11 Mar 2004 05:56 PST |
Ignore this dis-information. >>The FAT32 filesystem was not really designed for 120 GB The FAT32 was designed to work on HDDs up to 2 Terrabytes and theoretically up to 8TB. I have personally formatted a proper RAID'ed server and was able to get over 1TB formatted in FAT32. The Windows 98se Operating System software is separate from the "File Allocation Table" hard drive formatting system and many of it's applications give incorrect numbers for the size of and amount of free space on such a large Hard drive. Some Win98 software will just freeze up on a super large HDD, but I've not experianced any difficulties with 80GB or 160GB FAT32 PCs and yes they mult-boot and WinXP likes the FAT32 60GB partition on the 160GB PC. The trick to large HDD Partitioning and Formatting, Win98se's FDISK on a bootable floppy disk. Good Luck and try not to upgrade Windows, just delete it and install fresh, you'll avoid problems like the ones you've mentioned. Your friendly neighborhood PC Tech |
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Re: Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
From: samscottdouglas-ga on 14 Mar 2004 13:20 PST |
Well obviously the first thing would be to advise you to upgrade - not to XP as its a piece of junk and buggy, Win2k is the most stable with all the service packs. Should be able to get it cheaply on eBay. Also, are you overclocking your system? If you are, change it to the clocked speed and see if that stops your BSODs. Might also want to consider flashing the BIOS on your motherboard to the latest version. |
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Re: Windows 98 SE Windows Explorer Problems
From: basesurge-ga on 15 Mar 2004 05:31 PST |
I'm kind of suprised to see this question still posted. I thought they took them down after 6 months or something...<shrug>. Anyway--an update. I have turned of DMA on both of my HDDs and this helps a lot but it still does it from time to time. And I'm not overclocking...that scares me...I don't have money to but new MOBOs/CPUs all the time. Thanks to everyone who posted answers. |
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