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Subject: poem of presodents
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: kenzie-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 07 Sep 2003 14:13 PDT
Expires: 07 Oct 2003 14:13 PDT
Question ID: 253246
I want to know the name, the author and where I can obtain a copy of
this poem which I only know the following parts...
"...first on the list is Washington, Virginia's proudest name,
John Adams next, a federalist, from Massachusettes came,
three sons of Ole Virginia, into the White House go,
was Jefferson, Madison, and then came James Monroe,
Massachusettes for one turn, had Adams call John Q.,
and Term a Democrat, brave Jackson staunch and true."

Can you help me?

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 07 Sep 2003 19:03 PDT
kenzie...

The name and author of the poem have been located by a fellow
researcher, and, although neither she nor I were able to find
a copy of the poem online, and the book in which the poem 
appears is apparently a collector's item, and is not available
at a low price - the least expensive being $100, there was a
post by an employee of the Library of Congress which indicated
that he might be able to provide a copy of the poem. Since the
post was made in 2001, it remains to be seen if I will receive
a reply to the email I sent to the address he was using at that
time.

If the poem can be reproduced here, or provided to you as a text
file, will this satisfy your interests?

sublime1-ga

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 08 Sep 2003 09:27 PDT
kenzie...

Much to my delight, the author of the post I mentioned,
from the Library of Congress, did reply and provided
the poem in its entirety, which covers the first 26
presidents up to and including Calvin Coolidge, who
was president when the poem was authored, in 1925.

It is 6 stanzas long, and can easily be reproduced
here, if you will verify that this will satisfy your
interests, and that you are not necessarily seeking
a paper reprint or a book in which the poem is 
contained.

Best regards...

sublime1-ga

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 09 Sep 2003 08:46 PDT
kenzie...

Hi again. It occurred to me that, since this is your first question,
you might benefit from skermit-ga's Google Answers User's Guide:
http://www.christopherwu.net/google_answers/answer_guide.html

There is a section on 'Resonding to a Clarification' here:
http://www.christopherwu.net/google_answers/answer_guide.html#responding

I'm looking forward to hearing from you.

sublime1-ga

Clarification of Question by kenzie-ga on 09 Sep 2003 12:14 PDT
Yes, I would love it if you could reproduce the poem for me in its entirety.
Thank You.

Request for Question Clarification by journalist-ga on 09 Sep 2003 14:36 PDT
There is also the "Presidential Mnemonic Rhyme" by Jim Yount that may
be viewed at http://www.ria.edu/usa4me/america.html - see about 1/4 of
the way down the page.  It covers from Washington to Bush.

Another different one is located at
http://www.myschoolonline.com/page/0,1871,12159-172005-15-45280,00.html

Neither of these is the older version you seek but I thought they
might be of assistance in some way.

Best regards,
journalist-ga
Answer  
Subject: Re: poem of presodents
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 09 Sep 2003 18:38 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
kenzie...

I'm very pleased to be able to present you with the poem you wanted.

Many thanks to pinkfreud-ga, who initially located a post, in 
the 'stumpers' forum, which identified the name of the poem, its
author, and the book in which it appreared, all provided by 
David B G Kresh, of the Library of Congress:

"This is "Our Presidents - A Memory Rhyme," by Isabel Ambler
 Gilman. It goes up to Coolidge. It appears in 'Poems Teachers
 Ask For', vol. 2."
http://listserv.dom.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0108&L=stumpers-l&F=&S=&P=3847

Since this post by Mr. Kresh was done in August 2001, I wasn't
sure he would respond when I emailed the address he used at the
time...but he did, and quite promptly!

He informed me that the book in which the poem appeared was
published in 1925. Since Coolidge was president at that time,
it makes sense that the poem only addresses presidents up to
Calvin Coolidge.

He also noted that he had posted the poem in its entirety on
the 'stumpers' forum, since he gets many requests for it.

I have been cautioned that there might be issues with copyright
infringement if I post the entire poem on the GA site, so,
rather than take any chances, I will simply give you the link
to the page on the forum where Mr. Kresh posted the poem:
http://listserv.dom.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0309&L=STUMPERS-L&P=R10406&D=0


The author of that book apparently also had an interest in Alaska.
She is also credited with the following books:

"Isabel Ambler GILMAN {US?} (F: ? - before 1950)
	Alaska, The American Northland [n|1922]"
http://www.kingkong.demon.co.uk/ngcoba/gi.htm

...and:

"Alaskaland, a curious contradiction.
 By Isabel Ambler Gilman.
 New York, The A. Harriman Company [c1914]"
http://js-catalog.cpl.org:60100/MARION?A=GILMAN+ISABEL+AMBLER


Pinkfreud-ga noted that the book in which the poem appeared
is apparently a collector's item, and is not available at a
low price - the best price she found was $100.

In my own searches for the book, I found some posts offering
'Poems Teachers Ask For' for as little as $10 + S&H, however
they do not specify that it is, or includes, volume 2,
which is the volume with this poem. They all came from
the 'Christian Learning Resource' Group, at Yahoo Groups:

"Poems Teachers Ask For
 392 classic poems in one collection.
 CLR [Christian Learning Resource] price $10.00"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clr/message/35

...and:

"*** Poems Teachers Ask For (various)
 Our Price $10.00
 288-page collection of old-time poems just right for memorizing!"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clr/message/30


The only copy I found that specifies 'volume 2' is a used
copy available through Barnes & Noble, from a dealer named
T R McTeer Books, for $124.43:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/oopbooks/UsedBook.asp?userid=4ZWEUS1FQZ&ean=2781618849776&title=Poems+Teachers+Ask+For&WID=51087406


And, finally, pinkfreud-ga contacted me at the last minute
with another mnemonic (assisting the memory) poem listing 
the presidents up to Woodrow Wilson, author unknown, on the
God's Grapevine site, at Geocities, from Laura Alexander:

"OUR PRESIDENTS"

"First stands the lofty Washington,
 that noble, great, immortal one.
 The elder Adams next we see
 and Jefferson comes number three.
 Then Madison is fourth, you know,
 the fifth one on the list, Monroe.
 The sixth, then Adams comes again,
 and Jackson seventh in the train.
 Van Buren eighth upon the line
 and Harrison counts number nine.
 The tenth is Tyler in his turn,
 and Polk, the eleventh, as we learn.
 The twelfth is Tyler in rotation,
 the thirteenth Fillmore in succession.
 The fourteenth, Pierce, has been selected;
 Buchanan, fifteenth, is elected.
 Sixteen, Lincoln rules the nation;
 Johnson, seventeenth, fills the station.
 As the eighteenth Grant two terms serves,
 nineteenth, Hayes, our honor preserves.
 Twentieth, Garfield becomes our head;
 twenty-first, Arthur succeeds the dead.
 Then Cleveland next was selected;
 twenty-third, Harrison's elected.
 Twenty-fourth, Cleveland is recalled;
 twenty-fifth, McKinley twice installed.
 Twenty-sixth, Roosevelt, strenuous, firm;
 Taft, twenty-seventh, serves his term.
 Twenty-eighth, Wilson, holds the place,
 a nation's problem has to face....."
 Author unknown.


I hope this more than satisfies your interests.

Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that
the answer cannot be improved upon by means of a dialog
established through the "Request for Clarification" process.

sublime1-ga


Searches done:

On STUMPERS L archives:

Isabel Ambler Gilman - substring search, and
dakr@loc.gov - author's address
http://listserv.dom.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?S1=stumpers-l&D=0
http://listserv.dom.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?S2=stumpers-l&D=0&L=STUMPERS-L&q=Isabel+Ambler+Gilman&0=S&s=&f=dakr%40loc.gov&a=&b=

On Google:

"Isabel Ambler Gilman"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22Isabel+Ambler+Gilman%22

"Poems Teachers Ask For"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22Poems+Teachers+Ask+For%22

"Poems Teachers Ask For" volume 2
://www.google.com/search?q=%22Poems+Teachers+Ask+For%22+volume+2
kenzie-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00
Thank you so much for the answer. This was my first time using
Google.Amswers.com and I am so impressed by turnaround time for the
excellent answer that was over and beyond the call of duty.  Thanks
again so much.

Comments  
Subject: Re: poem of presodents
From: directrix-ga on 07 Sep 2003 15:31 PDT
 
The only reference I could find to the poem was this newgroup post,
which doesn't really explain anything:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&th=cb3fe68c8d117058&seekm=371d2907.1288386%40news.remarq.com&frame=off

Hopefully another researcher will have better luck.
Subject: Re: poem of presodents
From: directrix-ga on 07 Sep 2003 15:32 PDT
 
Whoops, that link starts half-way through the thread. Here's the
beginning:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&th=cb3fe68c8d117058&seekm=36ded438.18252568%40news.remarq.com#link1
Subject: Re: poem of presodents
From: kenzie-ga on 09 Sep 2003 12:13 PDT
 
Hi!  Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you.  Yes, I would
love it if you could reproduce the poem for me in its entirety.  Let
me know if you need anything further.

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