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The value of computers
Category: Relationships and Society Asked by: jayboyd-ga List Price: $50.00 |
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13 Jun 2002 13:11 PDT
Expires: 27 Jun 2002 17:15 PDT Question ID: 25355 |
Why do we need computers? Do the pros of a highly technical "digital" society outweight the cons? Are individuals better or worse off than before the computing revolution? |
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Re: The value of computers
From: rolus-ga on 15 Jun 2002 12:48 PDT |
Sounds like someone just paid for a term paper. |
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Re: The value of computers
From: j_philipp-ga on 15 Jun 2002 16:20 PDT |
Jayboyd, Let me add my personal thoughts to Missy's answer. "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." Pablo Picasso You can see computers as tool -- its value being to do faster what we did before. A medium in itself should alter efficiency, while leaving intent intact. If you want to publish a truth, you can do so globally and instantly. If you want to publish a lie, you can do so globally and instantly. Better or worse? This depends on your level of optimism viewing humanity. If you believe that information evolution undergoes a Darwinistic process, good chance is only truth survives -- by natural selection. Seeing the Internet for the first time in your life, you find a vast pool of knowledge in the virtual world. If you used the Internet for many years, you may suddenly see the real world itself as being inefficient (why do I have to carry around little papers to pay?), while accepting the virtual world as normal (I log in, they handle payment). Overall win as perceived might be little --- the only contrast being this generation's memory of the past, but that should fade in the future. You could say, "Once we become unlucky again, we remember how lucky we should have been." (This is typically caused by sudden hardware crash or power break-down.) But ever so often, the speed by which we can achieve new things falls back on the meaning which is given to it. We can start to reevaluate this "real world" as we reflect on it from the meta-level of the virtual world: If you receive a hand-written letter, what does it mean to you that an email does not? Someone may have refilled the ink; someone carefully planted words on the paper; someone took time to walk to the post office; and all the way, that someone thought of you. This is attached to the truly slow "snail mail", which suddenly transports emotions attached even the best compression algorithm fails to tackle; suddenly, the lack of perfection adds value no tool in the world could. Just take this online way of asking questions and receiving answers. The satisfaction is almost guaranteed, and given instantly. It takes real people to give answers worth reading. But most of all, it takes longer time, and a real world, to raise questions worth asking. Hope this helps. |
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Re: The value of computers
From: gwen117-ga on 16 Jun 2002 20:15 PDT |
Wow - this seems like a great way to get someone to write original research papers for you. :) |
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Re: The value of computers
From: missy-ga on 16 Jun 2002 23:23 PDT |
Hi Gwen, It's the wrong time of year for term papers. Sometimes, our customers are just looking for a different perspective. They do a good job of making us think, in any case. missy-ga |
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Re: The value of computers
From: knowledge_seeker-ga on 18 Jun 2002 15:29 PDT |
Dear Jayboyd, The answer to your original question is obviously highly subjective. Humans have been debating the Luddite vs Technophile argument for hundreds of years, if not thousands. Long before computers, people have wondered whether technology is getting us into or out of hot water as a civilization. People on both sides of the argument are adamant. In 1779, in a village somewhere in Leicestershire, one Ned Lud broke into a house and ''in a fit of insane rage'' destroyed two machines used for knitting hosiery. Word got around. Soon, whenever a stocking- frame was found sabotaged folks would respond with the catch phrase ''Lud must have been here.'' http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-luddite.html Over 100 years ago Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein. Her story created a divide between those who believed that her book was an illustration of the negative effects of technology and those who believed that it showed what can occur when people remain ignorant and refuse to accept new technology. I see by your 8 additional questions that you are interested in a far deeper discussion of this topic than can be gained by posting a simple opinion request here. I think Missy did a fine job answering your original question as it was worded. The answer is subjective and therefore there is no right or wrong answer. Her views are as valid as anyones. For in depth discussion on your further 8 questions, I would suggest one or both of the following: --- Post each of the 8 questions individually and let the Researchers and Commenters hash it out. Im sure youll get opinions that range from one end of the spectrum to the other. --- Read some of the recent books that have attacked this dilemma in more depth. Two that come to mind immediately (and Ive read both) are: Jihad vs. McWorld, Benjamin Barber http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345383044/qid=1024437765/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-1499013-5717568 After the Internet: Alien Intelligence, James Martin http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0895262800/qid=1024437873/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/104-1499013-5717568 And of course read Dr. Theodore Kaczynski, (a.k.a.Unabomber), who had some pretty strong feelings on the subject: http://www.thecourier.com/manifest.htm As I said, there is no right or wrong answer. Its all just opinion. --K~ |
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Re: The value of computers
From: chromedome-ga on 18 Jun 2002 20:16 PDT |
Hello, Jayboyd: This has been a long thread to read through! I can certainly understand and sympathise with your frustration at not getting the information you'd wanted. For your benefit, and for that of any other askers who may find this thread before posting their own questions, I'd like to offer up a couple of points for your consideration. First, from Google's "Answer Help and Tips" (the hotlink is found at the bottom of this page): "Your question is more likely to be answered if it is specific, detailed, and complete with guidelines for the researcher." (examples deleted by me) In this particular instance, to judge from the questions raised in your request for clarification, you might perhaps have opted to say something like, "I am constructing an argument to the effect that computers have been detrimental in the following respects, (give examples) and that overall we may have been better off without them. I would like examples supporting this argument to be predominant, but with enough contrarian input to provide some balance." This is the sort of thing the help page attempts to get at when it says, "Define what you mean by general terms like 'best'. Some idea of the end use of the information requested may also be useful to the researcher. Second point, also from the help page: "How complex the question is... The more complex the question, the more time it requires for a Researcher to answer. A Researcher will only want to answer a complex question if he or she feels adequately compensated for the time expended. If you have a sense of how long it will take a Researcher to find an answer, you should take that into account. For example, if you know your question could take 3 hours to answer, you should bid more than if your question will take 15 minutes to answer." Your question, as originally posted, was highly subjective in nature. Any researcher with integrity (far and away the majority, I'm happy to say) would want to make a significant investment in time before posting an answer, for precisely that reason. If you were to browse the answers that Missy's provided for similar questions, you will find that she has done a number of them, and generally gotten favourable reviews for her efforts. I mention this, not from a desire to exonerate a fellow researcher, but to demonstrate for you the context that she (or another researcher) would have worked from, in evaluating your original request. Your request for clarification, as Knowledge_seeker has pointed out, amounts to eight or so additional questions, each of which requires a significant amount of thought and research. This is not precisely what the clarification feature is intended to accomplish. To quote the help page once more, "You should ask for a clarification if you feel the answer is incorrect or incomplete, or if you simply want more information on your subject." For an example of this, here is a thread pointing to a question I'd answered, and the second question which arose from it: https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=27220 https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=28481 In your instance, the clarifications you've posted go well beyond making your original meaning clear, and would require a significant degree of extra work and information. I would suggest, here, that you re-post your clarifications in the form of additional individual questions. Cite the original thread in your introductory comments, along with a focussed explanation of your intent, as per the example above. If you feel that Missy's original answer does not provide you with input that meets with your criteria, I would suggest that you request a refund from GA, as explained on the help page. No-one will hold it against you (honestly!), Missy least of all. You will be credited all but your non-refundable 50 cent listing fee. Use your credit towards the "smaller" questions I've suggested above. Keep in mind the pricing guidelines on the help page, which I won't quote here. Generally, researchers take on a question because a) they find it interesting in itself; or b) because they feel they can provide a cogent answer for the listed price, within a timeframe which makes economic sense for them. Accordingly, you may wish to review the information you're seeking and price some questions more highly than others, according to the depth of research they'll require. I hope these suggestions will be helpful to you, as well as to any other questioners reviewing this thread. The feedback we receive from our work is the best way for Google to assess this new service, so on behalf of my fellow researchers I'd like to thank you for participating in the beta-testing phase. We all have a stake in helping to make Google Answers a success! |
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Re: The value of computers
From: array-ga on 18 Jun 2002 21:59 PDT |
I believe jayboyd-ga has all his/her answers. He's expecting someone to say what's in his mind. |
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Re: The value of computers
From: jayboyd-ga on 19 Jun 2002 07:05 PDT |
I am afraid I am going to have to ask for a refund, although honestly I would not have had Chromedome not further explained Google's position on this ("To quote the help page once more, 'You should ask for a clarification if you feel the answer is incorrect or incomplete, or if you simply want more information on your subject.'") I think it is very logical for me to consider Missy's answer incomplete. My question was, quite clearly, do the pros of computers outweigh the cons, or vice versa. Obviously this is subjective, but equally obviously it can't be answered by taking one position or the other and then citing numerous sources to support just that position (pro or con). I am not, as Chromedome says, taking the con position and asking for it to be refuted. I simply elaborated that position in my request for clarification because it was *completely* ignored in Missy's research. I sincerely believe I am doing Google a service by disputing this, as you may as well be prepared for this type of reaction when a researcher *chooses* to tackle what is perhaps a too subjective or too complex question but simultanesouly chooses to ignore the nature of the question and just give their opinion. If I had asked "which is better, Capitalism or Socialism?" and a researcher had answered with a long list of the failings of Socialism, that would be incomplete. This is Google Answers, not Google Opinions. And according to your policies, no one is forcing researchers to accept such a broad question. I will, however, as suggested put the original $50 into a set of smaller questions addressing the same issue. On this note, might I ask -- is it possible to request a partial refund? I would like to acknowledge that Missy *did* spend a considerable amount of time adressing part of my question and as I've stated before, the reason for my post was to create a conversation, of which her reply is certainly a part. Thank you for your research comments (and no, I'm not buying a term paper). Jason |
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Re: The value of computers
From: analogkid-ga on 19 Jun 2002 14:32 PDT |
Hi, I think that this question is a good example of some of the problems that can possibly arise from a forum like this. Obviously, the quesion "Are individuals better or worse off than before the computing revolution?" is a subjective question - there is no real answer. So, it should be acceptable for the researcher to give his or her opinion as long as it is backed up well. The problem is that the researcher who attacks a question like this is, by nature, going to back up his or her own view very well and probably not address the other side as well. Maybe, to help fix this problem, Google Answers could allow people to ask different types of questions. Offer people the chance to have their question answered by two researchers, one taking the pro position and the other taking the con position. They would each still have to back up their positions, but it might be less subjective that way. To get back to this topic, though, I think that Missy's answer probably wasn't quite what Jayboyd asked. Missy seemed to read the question as asking about the good and bad USES of computers. When I read it, I took it as, "Do computers themselves, ignoring the specific uses of them, have a positive or negative effect on society?" After reading Jayboyd's request for clarification, I do think that that was more what he was looking for. This goes to show what others have pointed out already: Ask specific and clear questions because ambiguous questions can be answered in many ways. Jayboyd, there are literally hundreds of books that you could read on this subject. Here are a couple that I have found informative: "Being Digital" by Nicholas Negroponte "Technopoly" by Neil Postman -- not exclusively about computers but includes a chapter or two on computer technology I think that another option for you would be to take a Philosophy of Technology class at a local university. It would most likely spend a lot of time on computers, but it would also give you a good background of other technologies, too. This is such a large subject matter that you could spend at least a semester talking about it. Also, I am pretty sure that if you ask for a refund, Missy will not lose the $50, Google Answers takes the loss. I know I read it somewhere, but I couldn't find exactly where it was at. analogkid-ga |
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Re: The value of computers
From: analogkid-ga on 19 Jun 2002 14:34 PDT |
I, like Missy, have no idea why the formatting of my last post looks like that. Sorry, analogkid-ga |
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Re: The value of computers
From: gale-ga on 19 Jun 2002 17:27 PDT |
analogkid and missy, Your answers look like that because the text in this form is soft-wrapped, and you must have inserted some hard returns in it in your word processor. Regarding missy's answer, I believe that this is a research question, and as such, it should be answered in a scholarly manner, covering a range of opinions, including but not limited to your own. |
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Re: The value of computers
From: computerdoctor-ga on 26 Jun 2002 00:43 PDT |
[fingers crossed for proper formatting!] > On this note, might I ask > -- is it possible to request a partial refund? I would like to > acknowledge that Missy *did* spend a considerable amount of time > adressing part of my question and as I've stated before, the reason > for my post was to create a conversation, of which her reply is > certainly a part. Jason, maybe you could re-ask a new question for say $25, that only Missy can answer. For example, Q: "Are you the real Missy?" A: "Yes" Correct!! :^) Sorry, I know its silly, but I wonder about how to extend google answers into some kind of weird amorphous money-transfer system! Watch out for those dumb, but accepted, answers for $100! Q: "How do I transfer $100 from one person to another?" A: "This way" Q: "What can you do with $100?" A: "Give it to me" Rediculous, and yet... B^) |
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