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Subject: genealogical research
Category: Relationships and Society
Asked by: bevo1234-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 09 Sep 2003 17:02 PDT
Expires: 09 Oct 2003 17:02 PDT
Question ID: 253997
In my genealogical research, I finally found what I was looking for.
However, when I look up the site or print it out, I can't find the
search items in either of the following two site:

emigrated from Narberth, in Pembrokeshire, 1682, with his father Evan
Lewis ... William
Bevan, of Newtown, Chester Co ... Dau of Owen, dec'd, at Merion
Meeting Place ...
ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/ delaware/church/merionmm.txt - 66k -
Cached - Similar pages
<html> <head> </head><body><pre>&lt;html&gt; &lt;head&gt; &lt;/ ... 
... William Bevan, of Newtown, Chester Co. ... early settler in
Merion, removed to the Swamp
Grass farm, Upper Merion, which had been bequeathed him by his father.
...
ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/ montgomery/church/merion01.txt - 94k
- Cached - Similar pages

For my search, I used "William Bevan" + Merion + father.  

So, can you find the part of the site where these two entries are?
They are just what I need! 

Price:  up to $20.00

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 09 Sep 2003 17:39 PDT
Dear bevo1234,

I have carefully read the two websites and found out that the three
elements you searched for are not directly connected with each other
in the old records of Marion Meeting Place.

"William Bevan" is mentioned quite close to the end of the texts in
the following context:

"Mary, daughter of William and Blanch Sharpus, was married to William
Bevan,
of Newtown, 1705.
3, 8, 1705.  William Bevan, of Newtown, Chester Co. and Mary Sharpus,
spinster, of Haverford, at Haverford Meeting in the Welch 
Tract.  Witnesses, John and Evan Bevan;  William and Ralph Lewis."

William Bevan is not mentioned anywhere else in the text.

I assume you hoped to find out about William Bevan's father from the
records. Unfortunately, all fathers mentioned in the records belong to
other persons.

However, I could try to do some additional research for William
Bevan's father, if that is what you would like. If so, please let me
know what information you have on William Bevan, and I will do my best
to find out more about his ancestry.

Best regards,
Scriptor

Clarification of Question by bevo1234-ga on 10 Sep 2003 10:23 PDT
thanks for the help. I did find what you did last night,ie, that the
references did not apply to Willliam Bevan.

The only info I have on Wm Bevan is that he lived in Newtown, then
perhaps in Haverford, got married to Mary Sharpus in 1705. Witnesses
to the wedding were John Bevan and his son Evan. John was very
prominent, was from Treverigg, Wales. Wm. died in 1715 and was buried
in the Radnor meeting house burial grounds.

The first settlers to the "Welsh Tract" in Penn. where Wm lived,
married and died were Welsh and first started coming over @1682. So it
is possible that Wm's parents brought him over or that he married at a
later stage in life and emigrated by himself.

One theory I'm tryiing to investigate is whether Wm was John Bevan's
nephew. John had three brothers. The father of the three brothers was
Evan Ap John, of Treverigg in the parish of Llantrisant, Wales. The
brothers were Charles, Evan and (?) Richard. The sons anglicized their
name of "ap or ab evan" to "Bevan," Ab Evan or Bevan simply means "son
of Bevan."

Iif you'de like to do some research for $50. to find William's father,
that would be fine with me.

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 10 Sep 2003 11:17 PDT
Previous research has apparently been recorded and published with
regard to this individual. Because of this I was able to find the
names of both the father and mother of William Bevan and can provide a
means for you to contact the person from whom the information
originated. According to the research I have found I can also answer
your question as to whether or not "John" was William's uncle.

Unfortunately I could not answer your original question about the
document in which property was bequeathed to William by his father but
I can answer the question about his parent's names and his
relationship to John. As per your additional $50 research offer in
your last post, if you would like to post a new question regarding the
$50 research about William's parent and specify (for tutuzdad-ga) in
your subject line I'd be happy to post the answer for you.

regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 10 Sep 2003 11:19 PDT
I should clarify that I have the name of William's father only. On
closer inspection, it appears that is mother's name is simply listed
as Mrs (husband's name) so I have no new information about her. I do
however have the father's name and occupation.

regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 10 Sep 2003 11:23 PDT
I now have William Bevan's year of birth and exact date of death
according to published research. I also have the names of his
father-in-law and his mother-in-law including his mother-in-law's
maiden name.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 10 Sep 2003 13:43 PDT
I must apologize for my error. I mistaklenly understood your reference
to additional $50 research as an open offer - a sort of re-stament to
your original question. My encouragement to open a second question
addressed to myself must certainly appear in bad form. I assure you
that my embarassing error was purely unintentional.

I will personally confer with the researcher working your question and
supply him/her with all the infromation I have. If it helps you both
in this endeavor I will be grateful. Again, I do apologize for the
error. Your researcher should contact you again shortly.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 10 Sep 2003 13:56 PDT
Dear bevo1234,

I will gladly do research on William Bevan's family. You do not need
to open a new question; since I now know the new task, I will simply
use this question. If you feel really satisfied with my answer and
think that it is indeed worth more than the original $20, you have the
option to add a tip to increase the final amount - but that is, of
course, purely optional. You are in no way obliged to do so.

And now, I will start working on your question.

Regards,
Scriptor
Answer  
Subject: Re: genealogical research
Answered By: scriptor-ga on 10 Sep 2003 15:46 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear bevo1234,

You are right, John Bevan was indeed the uncle of William Bevan. I
will explain that in detail:

Evan Ap John, William Beavan's grandfather, was born circa 1611 in
Treverigg. In about 1633, he married Jane Ap Richard (born ca. 1613 in
Collena, Wales). They had at least two sons: John Bevan, born circa
1646 in Treverigg; and Charles Bevan, born circa 1648 at the same
place. In 1665, Evan Ap John died and John, as the eldest son,
inherited the Treverigg estate.

Also in 1665, John Bevan married Barbara Aubrey (born October 1637 in
Pencoyd, Wales) in Treverigg. They had at least five children, all of
them were born in Treverigg:
- Evan Bevan (b.1666)
- Jane Bevan (b. ca. 1669)
- Elizabeth Bevan (b. ca. 1678)
- Anne Bevan (b. ca. 1679)
- Barbara Bevan (b. ca. 1680)
John Bevan emigrated to Pennsylvania in 1683, and the same year, he
purchased 2000 acres of land from William Penn, owned 300 acres in
Merion, and conveyed 300 acres to his brother Charles. He also owned
property in Havorford Township, Chester County (now Delaware County).
In 1724 or 1725, John Bevan returned to Wales. He wrote a will and
died in Treverigg.

Concerning his brother Charles Bevan, there are certain problems with
his biographical records. One source (WorldConnect) says that he
married in Treverigg a woman of unknown identity (1670) and had two
sons with her: William (b. ca. 1685) and Stephen (b. ca. 1699).
However, the other source (FamilySearch) says that he married in
Pontypool (England) in 1677, and that his wife was Florence Morgan (b.
1656 in Gelligaled, Glamorgan, Wales). Also, that source knows only of
one son, Evan (b. 14 February 1698 in Merion, married one Mary ca.
1719 in Philadelphia, d. 1746).
Anyway, whatever his wife's name may have been: Charles Bevan died in
Lower Merion Township after 1724, and I would say that all three,
William, Stephen, and Evan, were indeed his sons.

While Evan Bevan is listed as born in Pennsylvania, the source for
William and Stephen lists them as either born in Treverigg or Lower
Merion (William), respectively Treverigg or  Lower Gwynedd, PA
(Stephen).
However, if Evan was born in America in 1698, I find it rather
unlikely that Stephen might be born in Wales one year later. And
regarding the fact that their uncle John conveyed property to their
father in 1683, I would furthermore say that their parents were
already resident in Pennsylvania when William was born in 1685.

But those are only minor details. The main facts are:
- John Bevan and Charles Bevan were brothers
- Charles Bevan was William Bevan's father
- John Bevan was the uncle of William
- John's son Evan was William's grand-nephew

So when William Bevan married Mary Sharpus in 1705 on 8 May 1705 in
Havorford, his uncle and his grand-nephew were the witnesses.

That is what I have found out about the relationship between William
Bevan and John Bevan. Please don't hesitate to ask for clarification
in case anything should seem unclear.


Sources:

WorldConnect Genealogy Database
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

FamilySearch Genealogy Database
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp


Hope this proves useful for your genealogical research!
Best regards,
Scriptor

Request for Answer Clarification by bevo1234-ga on 10 Sep 2003 19:22 PDT
The work on William's father is indeed what I wanted. It is well worth
much more than the original offer or bid and will be paid.

I have the fairly standard historical facts re John  Bevan and his
descendants and his ancestors. If Charles, his brother, was the father
of William, then Evan, Johns' son and William would have been first
cousins. Evan would not be anywhere near being Williams
grand-nephew---assuming my puny knowledge of ancestry is not
dramatically wrong. But, no problem.

However, it is very exciting that WorldConnect seems to list both
William and Stephen, who also was in or @ Radnor, PA at the same time
as being Charles' sons. Perhaps they were sons of an indiscreet
relationship. To me, the fact that very important persons such as John
and Evan Bevan were witnesses to William's marriage has some
significance as to whether they were related.

Would it be possible for you to forward the World Connect and Family
Search items to me? If so, I would be grateful and show my gratitude.
If there is anything else out there which corroborates the
WorldConnect data, I very much would like to have it. Anything else
that connects Willliam and Stephen would be most helpful.

Clarification of Answer by scriptor-ga on 11 Sep 2003 05:31 PDT
Dear bevo1234,

Unfortunately, you can't give me a tip for this answer; the tipping
function is available to customers only before they leave a rating and
thus close the question.

But since you would like to get additional information, I have a
proposal: You could open a new question (with "for Scriptor-ga"
mentioned in the title to avoid confusion) and set any amount you
consider adequate.

As an answer to that new question, I will post the full texts of the
WorldConnect and FamilySearch entries I found. Though giving you links
would be far less work for me, I prefer this approach since I am not
sure if the links to the content of those databases are dynamic and
might change, thus becoming worthless.

Would that fit with your needs? If so, please let me know of what
persons you would like to get the genealogical records available in
those databases and I will start collecting them and converting them
to plain text.

Very best regards,
Scriptor
bevo1234-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Excellent research. There is an answer clarification or request
pending upon completion of which the researcher indeed will receive a
generous tip.

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