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Seeking location of THE JOURNAL OF WILLIAM GRILLS, or copy, pub Baltimore 1808
Category: Reference, Education and News > Teaching and Research Asked by: historyscout-ga List Price: $100.00 |
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13 Jun 2002 14:58 PDT
Expires: 13 Jun 2003 14:58 PDT Question ID: 25412 |
Seeking the location of THE JOURNAL OF WILLIAM GRILLS, book or manuscript or the location of a copy, published in Baltimore in 1808. Grills was captured and adopted by Indians, witnessed the killing of Logan's family, apparently returned to Maryland/Virgina, then went to Kentucky (which was a part of Virginia) and appears in the records there before he was killed by Indians in 1785. His journal was published at about the same time as other frontier narratives. The journal was researched in the 1950s by Allan W. Eckert and cited as a reference in THE FRONTIERSMEN which was published 1967. Two decades later I followed up on every Eckert source but this one, which I never could find. Eckert could find it either nor, understandably after so long a time, recall the library in which he found it. | |
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Re: Seeking location of THE JOURNAL OF WILLIAM GRILLS, or copy, pub Baltimore 1808
From: sublime1-ga on 30 Jun 2002 12:54 PDT |
Hi historyscout, I just thought you'd want to know that someone was researching, even if the results were negative. I searched the Library of Congress online, at: http://www.loc.gov/ There are records for 108 documents published in 1808. I eyeballed each one, but there were no references to William Grills. Sorry about that. Your question poses a wonderful challenge, though, and I hope another researcher can succeed for you. sublime1-ga |
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Re: Seeking location of THE JOURNAL OF WILLIAM GRILLS, or copy, pub Baltimore 1808
From: historyscout-ga on 03 Jul 2002 22:41 PDT |
Allan W. Eckert's citation in the 1967 THE FRONTIERSMEN was: Grills, William, JOURNAL OF WILLIAM GRILLS (Baltimore, 1808), pp. 107-113, 135-138, 180-183, 191-209. Hence the book has at least 209 pages or else it was published in a periodical and serialized between different issues. Logan was a Mingo chief who had married a Shawnee. Other accounts of this incident are available, including the depositions in the appendix of Thomas Jefferson's NOTES ON VIRGINIA. We have the other accounts, other documents shoring up Allan Eckert's account of Grills from his research done in the 1950s, but have not been able to locate the journal itself. Eckert cannot recall the specific library where he found it, and we have not been able to relocate the manuscript or a copy. |
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Could it be in Niles' Weekly Register 1818?
From: ulu-ga on 08 Jul 2002 02:32 PDT |
I'm not a history scholar, but could it be in Niles' Weekly Register 1818? Perhaps it is easier for you to search the CD-ROM index or you know immediately that it isn't in there. Hope this helps in someway. Niles' Weekly Register...From March to September, 1818-Vol. XIV Or Vol. II-New Series. by Niles, H. Hardback. Franklin Press, Baltimore (1818) BOOK GOOD/no dustjacket In need of rebinding, this book is still holding together though the front cover is detached. No previous owner markings. And very clean interior pages. "...documents, essays, facts together with notices of the arts and manufactures, and a record of the events of the times. " 8vo. 440 pages. http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qauth=Niles%20H&qtit=Niles%27%20Weekly%20Register%20From&S=R&bid=8028531868&pqtynew=&page=1&matches=8&qsort=p Nile's Weekly Register, Containing Political Historical, Geographical, Scientifical, Statistical, Economical, and Biographical Documents, Essays, and Facts: together with Notices of the Arts and Manufactures, and a Record of the Events of the Times. Baltimore. V.7-52, Sept. 10, 1814-Aug. 26, 1836 (LAC 31236-62) Accompanied by an index to V.1-12, Sept. 1811-Sept. 1817 (LAC 31014) http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/papers/niles.html If it was serialized... 107-113, 135-138, 180-183, 191-209 lengths 6, 3, 3, 18 (too long for Niles?, 16 pages weekly) gaps 28, 45, 11 (2 weeks, 3 weeks, 1 week) Good Luck! |
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Re: Seeking location of THE JOURNAL OF WILLIAM GRILLS, or copy, pub Baltimore 1808
From: davidsar-ga on 22 Jul 2002 14:07 PDT |
No luck on the Journal itself, but some possibly useful tidbits from a wonderful librarian at the University of Kentucky: "Although Mr. Grills is mentioned in a passing reference in John McDonald's Biographical Sketches of General Nathaniel Massie and others published in 1838 and he is also noted in Collins which is a standard history of Kentucky (it recounts the McDonald tale of Simon Kenton and others in the winter of 1773-74 at the Mouth of the Big Sandy), I located no information about the location of the journal or useful facts about Mr. Grills. I was only able to verify that he was, indeed, on the frontier. In addition, I checked Joseph Sabin's Dictionary of Books Relating to America but the Baltimore 1808 work is not listed in this reference tool. There is a brief reference to Grills and Sanders who were killed on Eighteen Mile Island near Louisville in the George Rogers Clark Papers, a part of the Draper Collection. The specific citation is 13J41 and it refers to a June 7, 1868 letter from Abram Hunter to Lyman Draper. Mr. Hunter did not recall the murdered men's first names. One of my colleagues did found a genealogical site online posted by [name omitted] who is asking for information about the journal. To quote from this reference: "We are looking for the journal which was either pilfered or misplaced from the library (he doesn't say which library), or moved to another library, or another copy or transcription of this journal." This note was posted June 13th. Since William Grills was supposed to have been killed in 1785, someone other than he published the 1808 journal so there is, possibly, another name associated with the publication of the work which is proving to be elusive. If you would like to check out the site yourself the URL is <http://genforum.genealogy. com/grills/messages/201.html> Good luck with your search. Best wishes, Claire McCann Manuscript Librarian 210 King Library Special Collections and Archives Service Center University of Kentucky Lexington KY 40506-0039 |
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Re: Seeking location of THE JOURNAL OF WILLIAM GRILLS, or copy, pub Baltimore 1808
From: historyscout-ga on 22 Jul 2002 16:49 PDT |
Thanks for posting the comment. However, I was the one myself who posted a query at the Genealogical Forum (see link above), and the reference to Draper Mss. 13J33-36 as well as the Collins History reference, were published in my 1993 book, INDIAN BLOOD: Finding Your Native American Ancestor. John Sanders, who had lived with the Indians and was George Rogers Clark's guide, was the trading partner of William Grills in Louisville, perhaps also with half-breed George Owens. Abram Hunter, whose father Joseph Hunter was one of the original settlers of Louisville, told Draper: "...My father and his comrades left the main shore and went on to an island and stayed all night without fear and in the morning my father returned for his trap alone, his comrades refusing to accompany him, and got his traps and a beaver in each one and on their way home to Louisville met Grills and Sanders, two great trappers and hunters who were going to the same island and creed to trap for beaver. They informed them of the presence of Indians but Grills and Sanders, heedless of their warning, went to the island and camped and built a fire. The Indians in the night crept up on them and killed them but their camp boy made good his escape and, although late in the fall, swam to the kentucky shore and went to Louisville and told the news." Just for info. I appreciate the effort. |
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Re: Seeking location of THE JOURNAL OF WILLIAM GRILLS, or copy, pub Baltimore 1808
From: pafalafa-ga on 15 Jan 2003 08:11 PST |
I look in on this question every now and then, and try to find the journal. No luck, so far, but I did uncover one interesting reference to Grills that may be of interest to you: From: THE PAPERS OF Thomas Jefferson Volume 2 -- 1777 to 18 June 1779 JULIAN P. BOYD, EDITOR LYMAN H. BUTTERFIELD AND MINA R. BRYAN, ASSOCIATE EDITORS PRINCETON, NEW JERSEY PRINCETON UNIVERSITY PRESS 1950 pg 42: "On 4 Nov. James Duncan, Richard Reeves, and William Grills presented a petition stating that they had lost their rifles in a boating accident on 25 Dec. 1776; the Committee of Public Claims recommended that the petitioners be allowed £5, £6, and £8 16s. respectively. The House approved this recommendation and on 21 Nov. the Senate concurred, but with amendments." |
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