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Subject: URL redirection vs pointing with CNAME
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: liferoothealing-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 17 Sep 2003 14:32 PDT
Expires: 17 Oct 2003 14:32 PDT
Question ID: 257766
This is followup to the question 
"Getting listed in Google"
answered by robertskelton-ga on September 9th.

Upon further investigation, I now have domain name pointing (not frame
or redirect) working from my registrar to the homestead site as
follows:

www.liferoot.net (not liferoot.com, which is still URL redirect)
CNAME
liferoothealing.homestead.com

The result is that when browsing www.liferoot.net, the index
and sub pages appear as liferoot.net (the homestead location is
effectively hidden) to the end user. The name of
each subpage does appear (as opposed when using URL FRAME).

Is this sufficient to solve the issue of Google thinking that this is
a Homestead site? I'm guessing that, were homestead to host the site,
that they would use a CNAME record internally anyhow?

Also, if other sites then link to this URL, will google note that in
determining how to index the page?

To summarize the question, when using a CNAME record and domain
pointing,

1/ will Google no longer know that this is a homestead site, and will
Google find all pages and content and assess it accordingly?

2/ will Google note all links connecting the to site that I am
pointing from (www.liferoot.net) and consider them in ranking the
page?

(Still need to get links to the site, but I want to solve this first
so I can determine which URL to have people link to).

Thanks

liferoothealing-ga
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Subject: Re: URL redirection vs pointing with CNAME
Answered By: serenata-ga on 20 Sep 2003 09:40 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Hello Liferoothealing ~

It appears that you have effectively redirected the domain name,
liferoot.net, through your domain registrar (currently listed in Whois
as enom.com) to your site hosted on Homestead.

The Homestead Learning center indicates that the CNAME redirection is
the correct way to achieve showing your domain name so that your
visitors and search engine crawlers are finding your site via the
domain name. Homestead will host your domain, but it is slightly
different than other hosting services in the way it is set up.
   - http://www.homestead.com/

In answer to your questions:

1.) Will Google no longer know that this is a homestead site, and will
Google find all pages and content and assess it accordingly?

The answer is yes, both search engines (including Google) and your
visitors will see this as your domain, liferoot.net, as opposed to
being a subdomain of homestead.com (as in
liferoothealing.homestead.com).

It wouldn't matter, though, if the liferoothealing.homestead.com site
was the site Google notices, as Google does index sites on homestead.
(Try a search for ".homestead.com" - without the quotation marks).

The site is, however, still visible as liferoothealing.homestead.com
as well as using your site's domain name.


2.) Will Google note all links connecting the to site that I am
pointing from (www.liferoot.net) and consider them in ranking the
page?

Yes, Google will note links connecting to the site, but it will not
automatically convert liferoothealing.homestead.com to liferoot.net.

Any links to homestead will continue to show the homestead URL in the
locator bar of the browser, and that's how Google will see them. The
same holds true for your domain name, liferoot.net - links to
liferoot.net will show as liferoot.net.

Whether or not Google lists all the links, though, is strictly up to
Google. It is believed that Google rarely shows links with a PageRank
of less than 4, or if you have links from sites which are not listed
in Google's directory, there is no guarantee those links will show,
either for the homestead domain or for liferoot.net.

Some sites just don't get listed in Google, and Google may not index
all pages on any site, so there is no guarantee that the links to your
site will be listed in links.

See Google's Webmaster Information:

"Although we index more than 3 billion web pages, we cannot guarantee
that we will crawl all the pages on a particular site. However, we are
always working to increase the number of pages we crawl and hope to
include more pages in our index soon. For more information about how
we find and include pages in our index please see
://www.google.com/technology/index.html."
   - ://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html#A2


If you are consistent and make sure all sites linking to yours use
liferoot.net instead of the Homestead domain, few will be aware that
it is there at all. There is no guarantee, however, even from
Homestead, that your site will not be listed as a part of homestead
instead of under your domain name. You can safely surmise, though,
that if the site is still visible to visitors as
liferoothealing.homestead.com, it will also be visible to search
engines the same way.


If Homestead does have a way to guarantee this doesn't happen, they
have not readily made it available in their Learning Center. If this
is what you want to ensure, you should contact Homestead to determine
if this is even possible. If it isn't you might way to find a host
that can help you accomplish your goals.


Search terms Used
  * Google + CNAME redirection
  * Google + homestead
  * .homestead.com (with the leading period)


Best of luck,

Serenata

Request for Answer Clarification by liferoothealing-ga on 23 Sep 2003 15:14 PDT
Hi -

Can you elaborate on this paragraph you have written?

The Homestead Learning center indicates that the CNAME redirection is
the correct way to achieve showing your domain name so that your
visitors and search engine crawlers are finding your site via the
domain name. Homestead will host your domain, but it is slightly
different than other hosting services in the way it is set up.
   - http://www.homestead.com/ 

I have not been able to find this reference in the Homestead
documentation.
Also, are you suggesting that the CNAME approach is better (or just
different) than the way Homestead does it. i.e Am I better off to move
the domain to Homestead or just keep it at my current registrar and
use CNAME?

Thanks

Alan

Clarification of Answer by serenata-ga on 23 Sep 2003 15:35 PDT
Hello again ~

Thank you for asking for the clarification.

If you click on Homestead's learning center -
 - then click on FAQs
 - then click on Help Documents - Domains

You will see that this is the method that Homestead requires to mask
their domain with your own domain name ... specifically for Homestead.

Among those who work with domain pointers, redirection, parking, etc.,
CNAME would not be the ideal method to redirect. Since that's the way
Homestead requires a redirection, that's the way it must be done. More
important, it achieves your objective for hosting on their servers.

Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough. 

Serenata

Request for Answer Clarification by liferoothealing-ga on 23 Sep 2003 17:28 PDT
Hi Serenata

So if you are saying

a/ CNAME is not a preferred method, and

b/ Homestead requires CNAME
  (or URL redirect or URL frame, which I don't
  want to use)

then can I conclude that I am better off transfering
the domain to Homestead to let them manage it as
www.liferoot.com instead of liferoothealing.homestead.com

Thanks

Alan

Clarification of Answer by serenata-ga on 23 Sep 2003 19:06 PDT
Hi Alan ...

No, I am not saying it should be any other way than what Homestead
instructs in their Learning Center.

I didn't mean to be misleading in my comments. I was a bit surprised
to see it accomplished that way, but I suspect it is specifically done
that way to mesh with the total package and features offered by
Homestead.

I really didn't mean anything more. A lot of people use Homestead and
love it, and Homestead are obviously doing quite well. They offer
those who are less experienced with HTML an opportunity to get their
businesses online without having to learn a lot of markup language and
coding.

A different host might have a different means of accomplishing your
goals. This is how Homestead says to do it, so I'd not change a thing.
I'm sorry if I created any confusion.

Regards,
Serenata
liferoothealing-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
Good answer thanks.

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