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Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
Category: Science > Biology Asked by: augusta-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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24 Sep 2003 06:22 PDT
Expires: 24 Oct 2003 06:22 PDT Question ID: 259703 |
Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease? The whole thrust of evolution is survival and procreation. Yet so many different species produce digestive waste that creates disease for that species and can lead to death. Why did the evolution of the digestive system chose that path? Is that the only way to solve the problem of deriving energy and usable matter from food? Secondarily, are there any organisms that produce waste that is simply mostly depleted of usable features and not also packed in with bad life-threatinging microorganisms? |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: nancylynn-ga on 24 Sep 2003 07:27 PDT |
Your question (actually there are two questions here) is a very intriguing one; however, it would take a considerable amount of time to research your query. A resercher would earn only $1.50 (we're paid 75% of the fee) to answer your question.) So, you might want to consider raising the fee. Respectfully, nancylynn-ga |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: wolfenheart-ga on 24 Sep 2003 12:16 PDT |
I'm not a Google researcher and your question has alot more implications then what I am about to pose, but I think two things need to put forth. First, most animals stay well clear of or cover up their feces so contamination is not much of a problem for most animals. Humans and domesticated animals are put in the very unnatural state of having higher populations in less space than would be found in pre-agriculural times. This both causes more biological waste and a closer proximity to said waste since most humans and domesticated animals stay in one area. Also, parasites and bacteria have a quicker rate of evolution due to the fact that many, many generations are created over just one year. Like any other life form, they quickly take advantage of conditions that suit them. So before feces dwealing parasites could evolve, there first had to be animals which produces feces. Again, this is not intended be the full answer to your question. |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: augusta-ga on 25 Sep 2003 00:40 PDT |
thnaks for the advice concerning the fee. I chose the minimum fee because there is nothing motivating my question other than curiosity. I am not looking for precise authoritative research results but just a general understanding. Perhaps I should look for an appropriate newsgroup to post my question to. The 2nd comment has actually gone some way to increasing my understanding. |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: nancylynn-ga on 25 Sep 2003 06:02 PDT |
Hello augusta-ga: Your question won't expire for another month, so please leave it posted here. You may well receive some more very helpful comments, like wolfenheart-ga's. I was just concerned that if you needed an *autoritative* answer, you might not get it at the $2.00 fee. But you're right, you'll likely get some very interesting feedback here! Regards, nancylynn-ga |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: mvguy-ga on 25 Sep 2003 06:46 PDT |
I find one aspect of the question fascinating: the personification of evolution, i.e., the idea that evolution would "choose" to take a particular path. At the risk of oversimplification, it seems that there are two possibilities: either there was an intelligent creator (e.g., God) who decided how animals would evolve, or evolution was a random process. In the first instance, the creator decided how things will be for reasons we may or may not ever know. In the second instance, things evolved the way they did because that's they way they did; on another planet it may have turned out differently. I'm also wondering how correct the premise of the question is. How many animals are killed by their own waste products? In many cases, at least with mammals, the process gets rid of pathogens. |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: nancylynn-ga on 25 Sep 2003 07:22 PDT |
I found myself wondering if there's a "survival of the fittest" aspect to this. (Can you tell I'm not a scientist :)) Out of curiosity, I started looking around. This article may be of interest: http://healtoronto.com/nyt290102.html The article examines a study of chimpanzees who carry the AIDS virus, but who don't get sick themselves. Students found the virus present in the chimps' feces, yet the animals were healthy: 'African primates all carry their own little viruses,' said Dr. Jonathan S. Allan, a virologist at the Southwestern Foundation for Biomedical Research in San Antonio. In some species, the viruses have been there for thousands of years. And the natural host never gets sick.'" |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: ephraim-ga on 25 Sep 2003 09:08 PDT |
I'm not addressing your specific question about animal waste, but there are many reasons why we may have evolved strategies which have bad side effects. One example can be found by browsing through the responses to following Google search: [ ://www.google.com/search?as_q=sickle+cell+anemia+malaria&num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images ] Google Search: sickle cell anemia malaria Sickle cell anemia is a genetic disease passed from parent to child through a recessive gene. Because of this, the child must inherit the sickle cell anemia gene from both parents in order for the child to receive the disease. If a child only receives the gene from one parent, the disease is not present in the child. It has been noted that the gene is very common among people who live in areas with malarial mosquitoes. So, the question arises: What possible benefit exists that has allowed this gene to become so widespread? The answer is that even though sickle cell anemia is not present in people with only one copy of the gene, the very presence of that recessive gene in their body makes them partially immune to malaria! Thus, people who are carriers of the sickle cell anemia gene, but do not actually have the disease, have a greater chance of survival than people who do not carry the gene! I hope this provides you with some food for thought, /ephraim |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: cephalic-ga on 26 Sep 2003 06:43 PDT |
I think that your question stems from common misconceptions about evolution. I suggest that you read a transcribed lecture by Francois Jacob (1977) called "Engineering and Tinkering" [if memory serves]. We should avoid the tendency to assume that organisms are the way they are because they are perfectly adapted to whatever modern environment that they live in. Organisms are combinations of chance (what novelty did evolution have to work with? - if photoreceptive pigments never appeared by chance, how could evolution even make an eye?) and history (we are mostly what are ancestors were... which may or may not mean that we are well suited to our environment). Lastly we must consider that organisms and their features must only be "good enough," not optimally adapted. An example might be whales. Surely gas exchange at the ocean surface using mammalian lung tissue is not the best way to accomplish this task for an aquatic animal. However, because whales have a terrestrial mammalian ancestor they are stuck with this method of gas exchange (at the present). Clearly this is not an optimal adaptation - but it is evidently good enough to permit survival. I hope this will help you rethink you feces problem :-) |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: cephalic-ga on 26 Sep 2003 06:51 PDT |
I'm sorry - the article is "Evolution and Tinkering" |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: techtor-ga on 26 Sep 2003 07:58 PDT |
"The whole thrust of evolution is survival and procreation." I find this statement problematic, because it has not been proven. It is only a theory, and there have been discoveries of random mutations which seem to have no purpose than to ruin species. I believe for something to have a "thrust", there should be intelligent control. Since evolution is thought to work without anybody controlling it, it just develops species with no thrust. |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: filian-ga on 27 Sep 2003 14:02 PDT |
Macroevolution is a theory that most people accept but as it was stated here, macroevolution creates mutations and mutations take AWAY from the organism, mutation does not ADD new information TO the organism. Thus mutations WEAKEN the organism and do not make it a better or stronger organism. "Organisms are combinations of chance (what novelty did evolution have to work with? - if photoreceptive pigments never appeared by chance, how could evolution even make an eye?" I personally don't believe something can come from nothing. Evolution assumes that there was never a real "beginning" composed of absolute nothingness -- it assumes that some building blocks were always present and suddenly began to form into things. Where then did the blocks come from? Evolution does not answer this question because it can not. It is against the law of Entropy to state that something can come from nothing because everything is in a state of decline once left alone. The universe left alone could not become a bigger, better universe (by our standards) without violating this law. Here's some interesting information to tool around with: Science Against [Macro] Evolution http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/newsletters.htm |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: synarchy-ga on 30 Sep 2003 19:08 PDT |
Hi I think that instead of looking at it as organisms developing a digestive system that is "generative of disease" that it might be better to look at it as organisms have developed a digestive system that deals with a dirty situation and is mostly successful at preventing disease. The digestive system has a purpose - to absorb nutrients - and to acheive this purpose, it must have a thin layer of relatively exposed tissue available to absorb the nutrients. In a small organism this is not a problem and the whole surface of the organism can be used to acheive this goal (like bacteria). In larger organisms, it's just not practical to leave your thin absorbtive surface exposed to the environment and you need to eat such quantities of material that are difficult to come by by simply absorbing them from the environment. The solution here comes in two parts - you either spread your absorbtive surface over a large spread of relatively protected space, like plants and trees do with roots- or, you develop a "gut" into which you can pack nutritive containing, more unfortunate organisms for digestion at your convenience. Digestion at your convenience means, however, that you will contain within your gut a considerable amount of nutritive material that many organisms will also wish to consume - and some of these organisms (such as bacteria) will be ingested with the foodstuffs themselves. Therefore, you must deal with organisms living in the food that you wish to digest. As this problem has been occuring for ages - organisms have adapted to the situation such that some of the bacteria living in your gut has entered into a symbiotic relationship with you - bacteria can digest some food products that we cannot - in doing so they provide food and vitamins that we would otherwise not have available. In turn, we provide a nice, warm, food-stocked environment in which they can dwell. This situation presents a problem when the bugs living in your gut decide that the food within the gut is not sufficient, and that your innards, with only your thin digestive tract layer separating the twain would make for far better eating. Now, your body defends against this - and your gut contains a large number of immune cells whose sole purpose is to repel attacks across your gut. Sometimes this is not sufficient, and the organisms are able to gain access to your body, and disease ensues. This is made much more rapid if holes are introduced into your digestive tract by knives, guns, or other sharp pokey things (sometimes blunt objects can also disrupt the digestive tract as it tends to be full of gas that makes it pop like a balloon when squeezed too hard). On the whole, however, your gut does a remarkable job of getting the nutrients into your body, while keeping all of the other bad stuff out. synarchy |
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Re: Why did evolution develop a digestive system that is generative of disease?
From: abudman-ga on 18 Jul 2004 21:24 PDT |
Just a quick thought without proper research but nature has it's own way of thinning out the population. Survival of the Fittest. This would have the strongest of the species any species mating and creating a stronger species. |
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