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Subject: Value of US coin
Category: Arts and Entertainment
Asked by: jung10-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 25 Sep 2003 08:15 PDT
Expires: 25 Oct 2003 08:15 PDT
Question ID: 260102
I have an old US coin: 2,5 USD 1796, it is in an holder where it says
"PCGS MS 62". The coin looks very nice.

Can someone tell me, what the value of this coin is and what is the
best way to sell this coin ?

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 25 Sep 2003 09:30 PDT
Dear jung10,

Some additional information might be helpful in order to answer your questions:

- Is it a gold coin?
- Does it display a draped bust on one side?
- Does it display stars or no stars at all?
- Has it ever been removed from the holder?

Best regards,
Scriptor

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 25 Sep 2003 10:28 PDT
It would be difficult to accurately determine the value of the coin is
without actually seeing it or perhaps physically examining it. I've
looked into your coin a bit and I must ask: Was the grade "PCGS MS 62"
assigned to the coin before or after it sustained the damage (I'm
referring to the filing marks that your coin has the right eagleīs
wing)?

If this grade was assigned to the coin AFTER it sustained the damage
it might be possible to ESTIMATE the value of the coin based on how
you describe it.

If the grade was assigned BEFORE the damage was sustained it would
only be possible to accurately determine the coin's value by having a
professional numismatist physically examined it.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Clarification of Question by jung10-ga on 25 Sep 2003 13:02 PDT
Yes, it is a gold coin.
Yes, it displays a draped bust.
There are no stars at the side of the draped bust.
There are stars at the side of the eagle.
It has never been removed from the holder and is sealed in this holder
where it says "PCGS MS 62". Also it says there "2,5 USD draped bust no stars".

Clarification of Question by jung10-ga on 25 Sep 2003 13:04 PDT
What do you mean "you have looked into my coin a little bit ?"

There is no damage at the coin. The coin is sealed in a holder that says 
PCGS MS 62. It was never put out of this holder, the coin is fixed there.
There are no filing marks at the right eagleīs wing.

Jung10

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 25 Sep 2003 13:36 PDT
I apologize for my assumption. I must be in error. In my research I
found someone with a very similar username to yours who posted a
virtually identical question and I apparently incorrectly assumed it
you were the same person with the same coin.

Here is what the owner said that obviously lead me astray:

"2,5 USD 1796 no stars"

"Hello! Can someone tell me if it is normal that this coin is not a
100% flat and has been filed at the right eagleīs wing? Thanx (signed
"username" VERY similar to yours)"



I stand corrected.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Clarification of Question by jung10-ga on 25 Sep 2003 13:49 PDT
Hello,

where did you read this other question ? I owned another coin of this type some
years before that had these problems and I posted exact this question at another
usegroup. So it could be also my question, but I posted this one like 3 years ago.

jung10

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 25 Sep 2003 14:03 PDT
I cannot post the actual address leading directly to the message since
it contains YOUR email address (assuming it was you). If, in the
course of my research, I do happen to accidentally or coincidentally
discover your name and email address (which I believe I did - pretty
neat research, huh?), I am not allowed by policy to contact you or
disclose it. You'd probably would prefer to cut down on the spam you
receive by keeping your email address off of a public forum like this
one anyway.

The forum where I read the message is called COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE
MESSAGE BOARDS and the message is dated 1999. Maybe that will jog your
memory.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Clarification of Question by jung10-ga on 25 Sep 2003 14:17 PDT
Hi again,

yes, this was my message and I know pretty much about coins. I am just
trying to
find out how this system at google works.

So why donīt you go to this Website and tell me the value of the coin
on this website and the 10 bucks are yours.

I know it is not much but is a start.

Tell me one thing: You are not very experienced about US coins but you
know how to find the right information matching to my question - right
?

By the way: You can call me Oliver.

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 25 Sep 2003 14:41 PDT
Normally I have a friend who is a highly trained, certified and
licensed numismatist at my disposal with whom I can consult regarding
questions such as yours, but unfortunately he is out of town today. If
no one helps you today perhaps I can consult with him tomorrow or
Monday, depending on when he returns.

As for your last post here….

YOUR STATEMENT: “Yes, this was my message and I know pretty much about
coins.
ANSWER: I thought so.

YOUR STATEMENT: “I am just trying to find out how this system at
google works.”
ANSWER: You are doing great so far!

YOUR STAMENT: “So why donīt you go to this Website and tell me the
value of the coin on this website and the 10 bucks are yours.”
ANSWER: 10 bucks is meaningless to a “real” researcher if there is a
possibility the research might be wrong. I’ll wait and consult a
specialist on your behalf.

YOUR STATEMENT: “Tell me one thing: You are not very experienced about
US coins but you know how to find the right information matching to my
question - right?”
ANSWER: Right – on both counts.
 
YOUR STATEMENT: “By the way: You can call me Oliver.”
ANSWER: Yes….I already know. Thank you.

Until tomorrow (unless other help comes for you sooner)

Regards;
Tutuzdad-ga

Clarification of Question by jung10-ga on 25 Sep 2003 15:34 PDT
Okay, you are a great researcher!

Are you from Europe or from the US ?

Oliver

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 25 Sep 2003 16:19 PDT
US

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 26 Sep 2003 07:57 PDT
I spoke to my numismatist this morning and posed your question to him.
He is in the process of researching the value of coins similar to
yours as we speak and will be getting back to me shortly. He explained
however that without actually seeing this particular coin in person,
at best he can only provide a range of known values of coins similar
to yours based on the description you have provided and not an
absolute market value or appraisal. In addition, he asked to remain
anonymous and would not give permission to be identified in this
public forum. As I'm sure you can imagine, I must respect his wishes
in much the same way that I protected your identity when I
coincidentally discovered that in the course of my research.

If these terms are acceptable to you I will post the answer when the
information arrives. It should at very least give you an accurate idea
of what to expect should your coin be sold on the current US market.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 26 Sep 2003 08:16 PDT
I wanted to let you know that I now have the answer to your question.
If you are agreeable to the terms I will post the answer for you, but
before I do I strongly recommend that you take a seat and BRACE
YOURSELF!

regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Clarification of Question by jung10-ga on 26 Sep 2003 08:35 PDT
Okay, go ahead.
Answer  
Subject: Re: Value of US coin
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 26 Sep 2003 08:58 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear jung10-ga

As promised, I contacted my numismatist, who, as it turns out happens
to be one of only 2000 or so PCGS numismatists certified to grade this
particular rare coin. As I mentioned he wants to remain anonymous but
said that the information I am relaying to you can easily be verified
through any reputable PCGS certified numismatist. He reminded that it
is very difficult to appraise an “early gold-type coin” which is the
category of rare coins that includes yours, and it is even more
difficult to appraise a coin without actually examining it. It is
possible however to place a price RANGE on a coin such as yours and
that is the information being offered.

Upon contacting this numismatist and explaining your question I
noticed an excited change in his demeanor the more we discussed your
question. He told me he would work on it and call me back in an hour
or two after he had finished some other business. Suprisingly within
20 minutes my phone rang and the numismatist was extremely excited for
you over what he had just learned about your coin through his books
and a few brief phone calls.

As I mentioned your coin is indeed quite rare, especially one in the
PCGS condition that yours has been graded for. (If you haven’t already
done so, you should probably sit down at this point).

I learned that your coin, on today’s wholesale market, would fetch
roughly US$70,000. This is the price where you would expect a dealer
to begin making offers to purchase your coin from you for re-sale.

The “sight unseen” list price for your coin is somewhere in the
neighborhood of US$90,000. This is the price where a collector would
probably begin making offers to make a purchase of your coin from you
as a private owner or individual collector.

The full retail price of your coin, were it to be sold by a dealer of
rare coins in a retail setting, could be priced somewhere in the
US$130,000-US$150,000 range.

Now, the numismatist also offered this bit of advice. Only rarely does
the coin market find “early gold-type coins” rated above PCGS MS 60,
but when one does appear it is always a treasure. Coins such as yours
normally don’t exceed the MS 60 range but because yours apparently
does, it is important for you to make absolutely certain that your
coin was not underrated. If it was, it could be worth significantly
more.

More importantly, the PCGS rating system has been going on for a long
time and in recent years it has been discovered that some coins can
actually be “upgraded” if the original coin holder itself is old and
in good shape. In view of this, he HIGHLY RECOMMENDED you have your
coin re-evaluated by (and this is important) PCGS certified
numismatist because, he says, if your coin can be graded one step
higher to PCGS MS 63 alone, the full retail price of the coin will go
up to somewhere in the neighborhood of US$185,000. If, by some strange
chance your coin gets a new rating of at least PCGS MS 65, according
to him, you can easily put your coin on the market for A QUARTER OF A
MILLION DOLLARS!

Get to a PCGS dealer “AND” a safe deposit box T-O-D-A-Y, oh, and by
the way, don’t forget to call your insurance agent. I am truly elated
about your sudden windfall of wealth. I wish you many more happy
moments like this in the future and I look forward to working with you
again very soon.

Regards;
Tutuzdad-ga


INFORMATION SOURCE:

LICENSED AND CERTIFIED NUMISMATIST

Request for Answer Clarification by jung10-ga on 26 Sep 2003 09:08 PDT
Hi tutuzdad-ga,

you get a very high rating by me for this answer. Your answer is great
for a
non numasmatist. Thank you for that.

As I told you I am testing the system about the quality of answers.

A PCGS MS 62 no stars quarter eagle is worth wholesale right now
150.000 - 250.000 depending on the quality. I just refused an offer
for my coin from a dealer @ 250.000 USD. My coin is a shot MS 63 and
should grade MS 63 sometimes in future.

So you are quite close with your MS 63 estimate @ 185.000 USD.

Also it depends on the grading service. A MS 62 NGC coin can be worth
only 120.000 USD right now.

A PCGS MS 65 coin is worth between 750.000 - 1.000.000.

I am one of the major US coin players outside US, so donīt get
confused.

Thank you for your detailed answer.

Oliver

Clarification of Answer by tutuzdad-ga on 26 Sep 2003 09:18 PDT
I'm pleased to have been of service.

tutuzdad-ga
jung10-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars

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