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Subject:
"Often" or "Of-ten?"
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: cryptica-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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26 Sep 2003 13:51 PDT
Expires: 26 Oct 2003 12:51 PST Question ID: 260587 |
Please settle an office debate. Find me a definitive style guide or voice of authority for spoken English to answer this: In the U.S. is the word "often," with the "t" pronounced (as in of-ten), considered proper English? Some say it's simply a regional choice, others that it's simply wrong. Dictionary.com says "Usage Note: During the 15th century English experienced a widespread loss of certain consonant sounds within consonant clusters, as the (d) in handsome and handkerchief, the (p) in consumption and raspberry, and the (t) in chestnut and often. In this way the consonant clusters were simplified and made easier to articulate. With the rise of public education and literacy and, consequently, people's awareness of spelling in the 19th century, sounds that had become silent sometimes were restored, as is the case with the t in often, which is now frequently pronounced. In other similar words, such as soften and listen, the t generally remains silent." Is there a definitive pronunciation for newsreading or announcers? (not interested in how it might be pronounced by a character in a movie or TV series.) |
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Re: "Often" or "Of-ten?"
Answered By: juggler-ga on 26 Sep 2003 15:17 PDT Rated: |
Hello Cryptica, Columnist William Safire is considered an authority on language. He writes a Sunday New York Times column, On Language, which covers grammar, usage, and etymology. http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/SAFIRE-BIO.html Mr Safire addressed this subject in a 1991 "On Language" column. He wrote: '... Many a time and oft we pronounced the t in often, until most of us dropped it in the 17th century; about 50 years ago, it began to reappear in the speech of la-di-da types. So is it ""correct" to put the t in often? Because of that archaic usage, it is not as incorrect as putting it in soften, listen or moisten, but it still sounds like an affectation to most listeners...' source: On Language William Safire The New York Times, March 3, 1991, Section 6, p. 16. I read the article in a public library database. If you need a copy, it's available from Lexis-Nexis. Here are instructions on retrieving the article: (1) Go to this Lexis page: https://web.lexis.com/LNE/ServiceSelection_en.asp (2) Select the $2.50 per document rate. Click on "continue" to bring up the search page. (3) In the "search terms" box, enter: offen (4) In the "additional terms" box, enter: safire (5) Press the "search" button. search strategy: often pronounced offen I hope this helps. | |
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Re: "Often" or "Of-ten?"
From: nautico-ga on 27 Sep 2003 06:32 PDT |
"When we were debating this at the office,some people thought the pronunciation was used among less educated people." That's always been my impression, too. Perhaps they are la-di-dah wannabes. nautico-ga |
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Re: "Often" or "Of-ten?"
From: filian-ga on 27 Sep 2003 06:39 PDT |
I was taught to pronounce it "off-en". When someone pronounces it "oft-en" I thought they were simply wrong. Not la di la or less educated in a formal sense but perhaps lazy in speech. Like when Ricky Schroeder would always say "I've got an idear!" on the show Silver Spoons. I was just a little kid then but it grated on my nerves like nobody's business. Where did that extra "R" come from? These days I've also noticed people saying "He hung himself". I was taught that when referring to an execution or suicide by hanging it is always "He hanged himself/You will be hanged from the neck until dead." Yet in Pirates of the Carribean, we hear a judge say "You will be hung by the neck..." I don't know if the term hanged was being used in that century so I have to check but these days it's common to just say "hung". I never will, though. "Hanged" is what I was taught was correct and that is what I will continue to say. I won't even bother talking about the rampant misuse of quotation marks, the excessive punctuation (!!!!???) and the mindless slaughter of adverbs happening in our country today. |
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Re: "Often" or "Of-ten?"
From: yesmam-ga on 27 Sep 2003 12:58 PDT |
mindless slaughter of adverbs happening in our country today. Assault or killing? Please give examples of this crime? |
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Re: "Often" or "Of-ten?"
From: deedub-ga on 17 Mar 2004 20:19 PST |
A few random thoughts: 1. When people try to sound "la-di-da" they often "hypercorrect" their grammar and pronunciation; by trying to sound correct, they actually violate the "rules of English." http://www.bartleby.com/61/72/H0357260.html defines "hypercorrection" as follows: "A construction or pronunciation produced by mistaken analogy with standard usage out of a desire to be correct, as in the substitution of I for me in on behalf of my parents and I. 2. The production of such a construction or pronunciation." 2. There has been a tendency since the first American dictionaries appeared for US pronunciation to adhere more closely to spelling than English pronunciation. This dovetails with hypercorrection. 3. The great success of English around the world has something to do with English speakers' pragmatic attitude: "We don't care if you don't speak too good, as long as we can do business with you." Some English speakers, anyway. FWIW. |
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