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Subject:
Value Of Cash Investment vs. Loan Guarantees For Shares in Company
Category: Business and Money > Small Businesses Asked by: ken3141-ga List Price: $50.00 |
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27 Sep 2003 11:12 PDT
Expires: 27 Oct 2003 10:12 PST Question ID: 260787 |
Relative Value Of Cash Investment vs. Loan Guarantees For Receipt Of Shares In Business Venture My question is in regards to a start-up business. For simplicity, assume that no venture capital or going public madness will ever happen. Pretend it's something like a roller skating rink. Assume that there are two parties who will be contributing both financial assets and sweat equity, the latter of which is irrelevant for the current question. Assume that $200,000 is needed, and will be split in some manner between the two parties. Assume that both parties own separate houses that they will be using to provide cash investments (by refinancing to get the cash they'll fork over) and possibly loans to the business based upon home equity loans on their respective property. Assume that they plan to issue shares to themselves, with 1 share equivalent to $1 in cash put into the business. Here's the question/problem. If each put in JUST cash, then there would be a total of 200,000 shares, and they would be split between the two investors/partners based upon the amount of cash which they give to the business. However, what equivalent value in shares does a loan count for? I'm going to guess that I am not the first person to face this dilemma, and there is either a hard, well accepted financial equation out there, or at least a general rule of thumb that is commonly used in business ventures. To impress upon why this is important, look at it from the standpoint of the survivability (and profitability) of the business. If someone gives say $50k in cash, the business gets the cash, uses it as it sees fit, and everything is easy. If however $50k in the form of a loan is given to the business where the business has to pay the interest: a) The business is saddled with interest payments that eat in profits, prospects of survival, and probably increase the needed amount of investments overall to be able to pay that interest until profitability/the loan is payed off; and b) as the loan is paid back, the money is effectively going directly BACK to the person who loaned it by going to the bank who loaned money based upon the equity of the property (whereas if they invested cash, the business got it and got to keep it). Thus, it is clear that a loan is not nearly as advantageous an investment for the business as cash is. And, thus loans from a partner should provide less than one share per dollar of loan given. But not zero shares, since the person is providing needed funds to the business, and risking their asset that is being used as collateral. There MUST be some equation to estimate the relative value of a loaned dollar to a given dollar. And I'm assuming that the answer/equation also has the interest rate figured into it, as a loan at 5% is far more advantageous to the business than a loan at 10%. That is my question: how do people figure this out? What is fair, or what are the bounds of share per loaned dollar that are generally considered fair in the business community? |
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Re: Value Of Cash Investment vs. Loan Guarantees For Shares in Company
Answered By: richard-ga on 28 Sep 2003 07:36 PDT Rated: |
Hello and thank you for your question. You're right in assuming that other people before you have faced the same issue. The solution is to understand the different consequences of debt and equity in a closely held business, and then issue each investor the appropriate combination of debt (an interest-bearing obligation of the business to the investor) and equity (shares of stock) instruments corresponding to what the investor has put into the business. Let's start with your statement that a loan will not be as advantageous an investment for the business as cash paid in. That's true mainly because it obligates the business to pay interest even in circumstances where it can't spare the cash to pay dividends to its stockholders. And if the business runs into trouble the lender will have a higher right to business assets than a stockholder (so in liquidation the loan is paid off first, and any shortfall is absorbed by the stockholders). The one advantage that debt offers the company, however, is that interest payments are income tax-deductible for the business (which saves the stockholders money either immediately or in the long run) while dividends aren't. Please read the following articles: Structure of investor relationships can vary widely http://www.att.sbresources.com/SBR_template.cfm?document=steve.cfm&article=2003Aug18 or http://www.sbni.com/expert_aug10.cfm or http://www.usatoday.com/money/smallbusiness/columnist/strauss/2003-08-11-strauss_x.htm Equity Financing Explained http://www.smallbusinessbc.ca/workshop/equity.php Combining Equity and Debt Funding http://www.toolkit.cch.com/text/P12_5235.asp Financing - The Money you'll Need http://www.campusaccess.com/campus_web/career/c3bus_fin.htm What Type of Capital Does Your Business Need? http://www.onlinewbc.gov/docs/finance/captoo.html How much to invest http://www.smallbusinessmonth.nsw.gov.au/textonly/interest/Over50/firststeps.html#How%20Much%20to%20Invest You'll note that none of these focus on how the individual investor raised the cash--whether it was money he had in hand or whether he mortgaged his home to raise the cash. The significance of that is how it affects what he needs to ask the business to give him in return for his cash. If I borrow $100,000 against my house to raise the cash that I contribute to the business, I may not be willing to take all stock in return because of the greater risk to me that the business won't distribute enough profits to me to allow me to make my mortgage payments. So maybe I'll offer to contribute $20,000 for stock and $80,000 for a note, or some other ratio. For me, the debt that the business issues is my 'bird in the hand' while the stock is the 'two in the bush.' That in short is how you should view the issue--in economic terms it's sort of like your notion of issuing stock at a discount--and the right way to achieve it is to offer part debt and part equity to each investor. One refinement to the above. Equity ownership also determines in most cases the decision making power and other control matters. So if the stock is issued say 40-15-15 to the three investors (separate from whatever loans they're making) the 40 will have 40/70ths of the vote. If your business deal, economics aside, is to be equal in matters of control, the answer is to issue voting and non-voting equity--in this case 15 voting and 25 non-voting to the first guy, and 15 voting to the other two. The voting and non-voting interests will be identical in all other respects. One caution about issuing debt - - if the business also plans to borrow from a bank, the bank will almost surely require both a pledge (security interest) in the business assets and also that all of the owners' debt be subordinated to the bank's debt. The subordination means that if there's an insolvency or liquidation, the bank will come ahead of you all, even though you made your investments earlier in time. And this makes the bank debt the 'bird in the hand' But the owners' debt is still ahead of the owners' equity. Search terms used: "small business" debt equity structure Thanks again for bringing us your question. If you find any of my answer unclear, please request clarification. I would appreciate it if you would hold off on rating my answer until I have a chance to reply. Sincerely, Google Answers Researcher Richard-ga |
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Pretty good answer. We ended up deciding that if one of us gave a loan, we'd get 10% on a shares per dollar loaned, as that "felt right" to all involved. Remember, even though the business is paying the loan, there has to be SOME incentive for an individual to put their house on the block. Just because they have preferred status to get their money back if the business goes under ain't what I'd exactly call incentive. So, that was our solution. |
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Re: Value Of Cash Investment vs. Loan Guarantees For Shares in Company
From: craig1982-ga on 27 Sep 2003 22:05 PDT |
Assuming that the company is paying the loan plus interest back in cash, then the partner who is loaning the money should get no shares. The person contributing the cash gets all the shares, worth the value of what he has contributed. There are many reasons that the person who is loaning the money gets no shares. For one, instead of shares, they are getting a note payable, plus the interest. Because they are not really contributing to the company (in simply accounting terms, they are adding assets but they are also adding an equal value of liabilities). Secondly, the person loaning money doesn't need shares, because as a creditor they have first right to the profits of the company, even above the rights of the person who has contributed cash. Giving the person who is loaning money to the company shares would be like your bank still owning 25% of your house after the mortgage has been paid off. If you the person want stocks in the company, then they could receive stock in lieu of interest payments. This way, the person does receive some portion of the company for their investment. I would advise that you get a very strongly worded loan agreement between the company and the person loaning the money. In addition, if this is going to be formed as a partnership, you should have a strongly worded partnership agreement. |
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Re: Value Of Cash Investment vs. Loan Guarantees For Shares in Company
From: ken3141-ga on 28 Sep 2003 00:23 PDT |
Thanks for the comments. It's a LITTLE different than that situation, although I certainly see your points. The actual situation is that there are effectively three parties involved in this business that is considering expanding to another facility. All will put money into the new site. More money is needed. Two of the three parties could take out home equity loans and effectively pass those on to the business for times of need (assuming no shares/credit would be given to the individual if the money is never used). Yes, the money would effectively be paid back to the individual, but they wouldn't be receiving any of the interest paid- that would go to the bank that has issued the home equity loan on their house. If they receive no shares, then they have no incentive whatsoever (esecially compared to the partner who cannot provide loan funds) to take out and offer this "pass through" loan. They are taking the risk with their homes, the business is gaining the use of this loan money, but they are receiving neither shares nor interest payments. Now, one might ask why they don't take out the loan, and then give that money to the business, thus earning the financial shares, and having to deal with the interest payments themselves. Answer: They won't be able to afford the payments, while the business can. Perhaps I'm crazy, but since there is value to the business to get the loan, and since the person putting the house on the line is gaining nothing financially, that they should be getting some "credit" in the business for doing this. Am I smoking crack? The question was trying to get at what an equitable share stake per dollar of loan they should get for taking that risk with their asset. |
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