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Binary star systems and possibility of stars created by civilizations.
Category: Science > Astronomy Asked by: alfajor-ga List Price: $12.00 |
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07 Oct 2003 00:04 PDT
Expires: 05 Nov 2003 23:04 PST Question ID: 263359 |
I heard a talk from a few decades ago where the wonderful English philosopher Alan Watts wondered aloud about the possible role of sentient civilizations in creation of astronomical bodies. Specifically, he wondered whether, if we keep on tinkering with nuclear fusion and the like, we might not one day accidentally set off a nuclear chain reaction that caused our planet to become a small Sun -- and whether in fact this might be how Suns sometimes come to life. I've also heard that most of the solar systems in the universe are actually binary star systems -- often with one star much older than the other. Now, I understand that our planet might not have enough mass for a full solar sequence to happen, but I'd like a general opinion on all this from an astronomer ... Is there well established knowledge that can dispel the idea of this particular scenario being a possibility? |
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Re: Binary star systems and possibility of stars created by civilizations.
From: iang-ga on 07 Oct 2003 16:15 PDT |
During the Manhatten project there was a concern that there might be a runaway nuclear reaction in the nitrogen in the Earth's atmosphere. Konopinski, Marvin & Teller (who went on to develop the H-bomb) reported the odds as 1 in a million. It's now felt that a more honest, but less quantified answer would have been "impossible (almost)". Their original paper is at http://lib-www.lanl.gov/la-pubs/00329010.pdf , but it's now inaccesible in the current security climate. Most stars are part of multiple systems, but I don't believe one is often *much* older than another. There's often a wide difference in how evolved they are, because large stars burn much faster than small ones. Ian G. |
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Re: Binary star systems and possibility of stars created by civilizations.
From: flajason-ga on 14 Oct 2003 09:40 PDT |
Most star systems are multiple systems due to the way stars form from nebulae. In our own solar system a second sun would likely have formed if Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune had not formed into individual planets. The Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet that collided with Jupiter is another testimony that it is extremely unlikely for a single event to cause a runaway nuclear reaction. Each peice of that comet hit with more energy than all of Earth's nuclear weapons combined. And with an atmosphere composed mostly of hydrogen and helium, Jupiter is much more likely to support that type of reaction than a terrestrial planet like Earth. |
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Re: Binary star systems and possibility of stars created by civilizations.
From: commdrsozo-ga on 03 Feb 2004 21:52 PST |
As far as a nuclear catastrophe causing the earth to burn as a star, I would recommend reading Stephen Hawking's book "A Brief History Of Time", it's a suprisingly easy read that deals with this issue and many other interesting ones. In it he makes the comment that if 100% of the earth's water was changed into heavy water (for use in a nuclear reaction), and all of the earth's nuclear weapons were detonated, the reaction would be just barely enough to cause a small black hole to form. The mass of the earth would be caught in the black hole and either emitted as radiation or would remain caught up in the singularity and its fate unknown intil the black hole loses enough mass as radiation to stop acting like a black hole. A star becomes a black hole when it loses energy, starts to cool, and is massive enough (mass above the Chandrasekar limit) to be unable to avoid gravitational collapse. Stars below the limit cool to become neutron stars. This being said, if all of the earth's weapons could barely create enough of a reaction to form a black hole, then there is definitely not enough energy tied up in nuclear arms to cause a star to ignite, since a star only becomes a black hole after losing the majority of its energy. Again, for a complete and accurate answer, grab Hawking's "A Brief History Of Time" from your library, it's worth the read. |
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