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Subject:
Fuel efficiency in US
Category: Business and Money > Economics Asked by: dansd-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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07 Oct 2003 00:47 PDT
Expires: 05 Nov 2003 23:47 PST Question ID: 263367 |
I need info on the pros and cons of US governmental mandating of fuel efficiency. |
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Re: Fuel efficiency in US
Answered By: juggler-ga on 07 Oct 2003 01:40 PDT Rated: ![]() |
Hello. Pros (1) Increased fuel efficiency will reduce our dependence on foreign oil, thus improving national security and keeping us out of trouble in places like the Middle East. (2) Increased fuel efficiency will reduce our need to drill for oil in places like Alaska, thus keeping that environment pristine. (3) Increased fuel efficiency will save consumers billions of dollars. The less gasoline they have to buy, the more money they will be able to save and/or spend on things other than gasoline. (4) Reducing the amount of gasoline burned will reduce carbon dioxide emissions. Reduced carbon dioxide emissions will be a step in the right direction concerning the problem of global warming. (5) New jobs would be created if automakers had to invest in research & development of more fuel-efficient vehicles. sources: Union of Concerned Scientists: Questions and Answers on Fuel Economy http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/cars_and_suvs/page.cfm?pageID=221 Protectingcreation.org http://www.protectingcreation.org/driven/FactSheet.asp "fuel efficiency can save money, clean up environment" http://www.great-lakes.net/lists/enviro-mich/1997-11/msg00003.html Sierra Club http://lists.sierraclub.org/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?A2=ind0106&L=ce-scnews-releases&D=1&T=0&H=1&O=D&F=&S=&P=1282 ------- Cons (1) Safety. One of the ways that automakers make cars more fuel efficient is by reducing their weight and size. Occupant death rates are higher is smaller, lighter vehicles. (2) Cost. Forcing automakers to adopt more fuel efficient technologies makes new vehicles less affordable to American consumers. (3) Environment. As indicated in (2), fuel efficiency requirements make vehicles more expensive. The high cost of new vehicles encourages consumers to keep driving older, dirtier vehicles. Ironically, fuel efficiency requirements will actually have a negative effect on the environment. (4) Fuel efficiency requirements tend to favor Japanese & European automakers over the U.S. auto industry. Foreign automakers tend to build smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles because of high gasoline prices in their home countries. Thus, the foreign automakers will have an automatic advantage over the U.S. auto industry, ultimately having a negative effect on Americans' jobs. (5) Consumer choice. If consumers wanted more fuel efficient vehicles, they'd buy them. Forcing automakers to build vehicles that consumers don't want helps nobody. Fuel efficiency requirements amount to the government meddling in the economy. sources: American Iron & Steel Institute http://www.steel.org/policy/other/cafe.asp "Death By Caution: Fuel Economy Standards Cost Lives " http://www.cei.org/gencon/019,02357.cfm "Auto Cafe Standards: Unsafe and Unwise at Any Level" http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/BG825.cfm search terms: fuel efficient efficiency safety "american cars" "global warming" I hope this helps. |
dansd-ga
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Subject:
Re: Fuel efficiency in US
From: snsh-ga on 07 Oct 2003 09:00 PDT |
Sometimes what happens is government mandates make newer equipment equipment costlier and less desirable, and some consumers will stick with older, more polluting equipment. In other words, if the government suddenly decided Suburbans and Humvees were too inefficient so you couldn't make any more, people who would otherwise buy new Suburbans would instead keep their old Suburbans on the road. These older Suburbans may have poor emissions, safety, and reliability. |
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Re: Fuel efficiency in US
From: juggler-ga on 07 Oct 2003 10:39 PDT |
Dansd: Thank you for the tip. -juggler |
Subject:
Re: Fuel efficiency in US
From: leoj-ga on 09 Oct 2003 14:16 PDT |
Wow! Those cons are really something! Too bad not a one is true. 1- big cars are only safer for the people in the big cars, when they hit small cars. They are not safer overall, and in fact their presence, leads to more death and injury overall. Large vehicles, especially SUVs, have a higher incidence of accidents, mainly due to poorer handling and visibility. Notably, the current head of NHTSA, Dr. Runge, has stated that he wouldn't allow his children in an SUV. Please understand, physics dictates that big cars are not any different from small cars when they hit solid objects, like trees or walls. So there is no difference of any kind when they are in one car accidents. Lack of handling, especially rollovers, are a major cause of one car accidents. 2.- During the 1990s the auto makers made that argument, and President Clinton did the unthinkable. He took that argument away by having the Gov't pay for it. Billions of dollars were paid by you and me to get efficient technologies into auto under the PNGV program. At the end, once again the auto manufacturers played that card, which unfortunately met a new president who adopted once again a anti-environment stand, in the guise of being pro-environment. Hence we look out another 10 years for hydrogen based cars. Europe and Japan both make excellent, high efficiency cars. For the most part they are not sold here. I'm not referring to the Prius and the other hybrids, although they are the first offerings of the next generation of automobiles, but of high efficiency diesels and gas cars that get 30 - 50 mpg. Why? Because their gas prices are not kept artificially low AND their gov'ts require it. It is a complete fallacy to argue that high efficiency cars would be a burden on the consumer that is sticking DVD players, GPS nav systems, or commuting in 7000lb Suburbans. 3- That is just ludicrous. There is no requirement that the gov't HAS to be stupid. Requiring automakers to add seatbelts didn't cause more death because people wouldn't buy them. Why would that be the case now? The source you list is a right wing PAC that doesn't have a scientific basis for what they state. There is no historic justification for this argument. When the CAFE standards went into effect in the first place, death rates in auto crashes did not even hiccup in their downward trend. The main thing that happened is that the US auto industry spent more time and effort lobbying for a repeal instead of designing better cars. As a result, the Japanese auto industry greatly increased their market share. Fortunately, the main reason that this con will not happen is that American cars by and large just don't last long enough for that to have a major effect. Even if someone were to keep their car an extra year, in the long term, the environmental effect is clear. The biggest damage caused to the environment these days by cars is global in nature. Reducing hydrocarbon emissions is far and away the most important reason for increasing fuel economy. Arguing that increasing fuel economy will have the opposite effect is another black is white trick put forth by people who have an interest in keeping the status quo. 4- So, you are saying that the fact that American auto manufacturers make the wrong vehicle will cause jobs? Again, wrong. Most foreign car manufacturers now manufacture a major portion of their vehicles here. What you will have is a loss of American car companies. Or, eventually, they will get it. Until the US auto industry is convinced that they will not will reprieve after reprieve they will continue to ignore the need to just make a better car rather than attempt to buy their way out of competing with foreign producers. 5- Okay...so did I mention that the price of gas is kept artificially low in this country? All that we need do is have the cost of gas accurately reflect the total cost. We have the cost of our military, designed mainly to protect our access to oil (not saying reduce the military, nor that it is wrong, just that it's cost be payed for the the gas it protects). We have the cost of the environmental damage caused. We have the increased cost of maintaining roads by heavier vehicles. We do that, gas goes to what it costs in EVERY other oil importing country in the world (~$4/gal) and I guarantee people will choose more efficient cars. I think it is terrible for a google researcher to present garbage as legitimate "con". To snsh-ga - What would you do then? Other than through your hands up and say "Oh well" suggest something else. I see no example of what you |
Subject:
Re: Fuel efficiency in US
From: juggler-ga on 09 Oct 2003 15:07 PDT |
Leoj: You write: 'I think it is terrible for a google researcher to present garbage as legitimate "con".' If you visited the sites that I cited as sources, you would see that the pros and cons provided are the main arguments proffered by those who support and oppose federally-mandated fuel standards. Of course, you're free to view any of those arguments as "garbage," but I feel that my job as a researcher on this question was to present the arguments that are actually cited in the real world, not necessarily to filter out viewpoints that folks on your side of the debate will find meritless or objectionable. Suppose you were preparing to debate this topic, don't you think you'd like to be aware of the main arguments that opponents of fuel efficiency actually make so that you'd be able to attack and discredit them? |
Subject:
Re: Fuel efficiency in US
From: leoj-ga on 10 Oct 2003 11:38 PDT |
To juggler-ga, First, an apology to you personally. I obviously got carried away, and regretted posting that, just about the second I hit the Post Comment button. I should have simply stated that the sources you cite are not to be considered credible given their inherent bias. My emotional reaction to political organizations being used as references in a question which to me appeared to ask for a factual response was out of line. I would strongly urge you to in the future make apparent the bias of the sources you cite. I suppose one could argue that a reasonable man would see that instantly, but it does damage GA's and your own to a degree to cite any possible source without comment. If your aim was to present the cons as without merit, I would think it would have been better to say so. As a person who feels strongly that disinformation is a powerful tool of those whose interests are counter to the general public's, disinformation being the antithesis of what GA is about, I let what I consider worthwhile intent grossly impact my comment to your, mine and GA's harm. Again, I was completely out of line with the tone of my comment and you have my heartfelt apology. Sincerely, leoj-ga |
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