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Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Books and Literature Asked by: grandrascal-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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08 Oct 2003 14:17 PDT
Expires: 07 Nov 2003 13:17 PST Question ID: 264334 |
How old, exactly, is Jim Hawkins? |
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Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 11 Oct 2003 12:20 PDT Rated: ![]() |
Thank you very much for accepting my remarks as the answer to your question. Below I have reposted the material I found, with a few extra goodies. Assuming that you're talking about the original Stevenson novel, and not one of the many adaptations, it may be that no exact answer is possible; I don't believe the book mentions Jim's exact age. The full text of "Treasure Island" may be found here: Fern Canyon Press http://ferncanyonpress.com/pirates/treasure/island7a.shtml I do not see a precise age for Jim Hawkins in the text. Some speculations: "The young (probably 13 or 14) Jim Hawkins is the narrator of the adventure that is told in Treasure Island." GradeSaver http://www.gradesaver.com/ClassicNotes/Titles/treasure/charlist.html "Treasure Island - Robert Louis Stevenson Twelve-year-old Jim Hawkins sails with the Squire Trelawney to search for Captain Flint's treasure. But Long John Silver is on board The Hispaniola and he and his friends want the treasure for themselves. The story of Jim's adventure has been popular with young readers since it was first published in 1883!" http://www.onestopenglish.com/BookShop/bookshop/retail/readers/elementary/classics6.htm Robert Louis Stevenson wrote "Treasure Island" to entertain his stepson, Lloyd. It seems likely to me that if Jim Hawkins is based upon Lloyd, Jim could be assumed to be Lloyd's age when the tale was begun: 12 years old. "Robert Louis Stevenson´s first novel 'Treasure Island' was started in August 1881 when he found a map drawn by his 12-year-old stepson, Lloyd Osbourne, just to Lloyd´s amusement. During late August and September 15 chapters were written at the rate of each day, the remainder of the text completed at Davos later in 1881. It was published in 1883. The time span is about four weeks but the time is compressed because everything is happening so fast." Referate Archiv http://www.loesungsbuch.de/p/referate/02/932.htm Some related tidbits... Here's an interesting article about the origins of "Treasure Island": Gradesaver http://www.gradesaver.com/ClassicNotes/Titles/treasure/about.html There have been several film adaptations of "Treasure Island." One of the best-lnown is the 1950 Disney version, starring Robert Newton as Long John Silver, and Bobby Driscoll as Jim Hawkins. Bobby was 13 when he played the role: "Disney was just beginning to get into the swing of live-action films with Treasure Island in 1950. He was also starting to use a mix of British and American actors. He had already hired Bobby Driscoll for Song in the South in 1946, and he now gave the 13-year-old the role of Jim Hawkins (Driscoll also supplied the voice of Peter Pan in 1955). Robert Newton is highly memorable as a totally over-the-top Long John Silver. The film is notable for several things - an over-reliance on studio sets in typical 40s/50s style, and some bizarre characters around, not least the famous Ben Gunn. Watch out for Patrick Troughton (the second Dr Who) as one of the pirates." The Disney studios had another go at this, in the animated feature "Treasure Planet." This time (presumably as a ploy to lure teen audiences), Jim Hawkins was a more mature fifteen: "At the center of the story is fifteen-year-old Jim Hawkins, who joins the crew of an intergalactic expedition as cabin boy aboard a glittering space galleon. Befriended by the ship's cook, a charismatic cyborg (part man, part machine) named John Silver, Jim blossoms under his guidance, and shows the makings of a fine 'spacer' as he and the alien crew battle supernovas, black holes and ferocious space storms. But even greater dangers lie ahead when Jim discovers that his trusted friend Silver is actually a scheming pirate with mutiny in mind." MovieWeb http://movieweb.com/movie/treasureplanet/ As I mentioned, Robert Louis Stevenson wrote "Treasure Island" as an entertainment for his young stepson. Stevenson and his stepson later collaborated on two novels: "The Wrong Box... This collaborative novel was drafted by Lloyd Osbourne, Stevenson's stepson, and then revised by Stevenson. Its farcical plot, hinging on the inheritance of a 'tontine' by the last survivor of twenty heirs, was the basis of the successful Peter Cook-Dudley Moore film in 1966. The Wrecker... This novel, written collaboratively, was originally serialized in Scribner's Magazine, August-July 1892, and then published in Britain from Scribner's sheets. It originated in the mysterious disappearance of the ship The Wandering Minstrel in the South Seas in 1889. Following discussion, Lloyd Osbourne drafted each chapter and Stevenson rewrote it. Stevenson was much annoyed when The Wrecker sold better than The Master of Ballantrae." http://www.sc.edu/library/spcoll/britlit/rls/rls6.html The collaborative novels "The Wrecker" and "The Wrong Box" may be found online here: SelfKnowledge http://www.selfknowledge.com/405au.htm While researching this matter, I came across a wonderful quote from Stevenson that I think is still applicable today, more than one hundred years later: "His famous Treasure Island became popular only after it had been republished. Stevenson wrote it for his step-son, twelve-year-old Lloyd Osbourne. Writing to his friend about the new book he declared that 'if this don't fetch the kids, why they have gone rotten since my day'." Referaty.sk http://www.referaty.sk/tlac.php?referat=6181 Thanks for an interesting question! It was delightful to reread "Treasure Island," and even though the exact age of Jim Hawkins remains a buried treasure, I hope you've enjoyed the voyage as much as I have. Best wishes, pinkfreud | |
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rated this answer:![]() Wow! And additional information added, too! Thank you very much! :) |
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Subject:
Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
From: pinkfreud-ga on 08 Oct 2003 15:02 PDT |
Assuming that you're talking about the original Stevenson novel, and not one of the many adaptations, it may be that no exact answer is possible; I don't believe the book mentions Jim's exact age. The full text of "Treasure Island" may be found here: http://ferncanyonpress.com/pirates/treasure/island7a.shtml I do not see a precise age for Jim Hawkins in the text. Some speculations: "The young (probably 13 or 14) Jim Hawkins is the narrator of the adventure that is told in Treasure Island." http://www.gradesaver.com/ClassicNotes/Titles/treasure/charlist.html "Treasure Island - Robert Louis Stevenson Twelve-year-old Jim Hawkins sails with the Squire Trelawney to search for Captain Flint's treasure. But Long John Silver is on board The Hispaniola and he and his friends want the treasure for themselves. The story of Jim's adventure has been popular with young readers since it was first published in 1883!" http://www.onestopenglish.com/BookShop/bookshop/retail/readers/elementary/classics6.htm Robert Louis Stevenson wrote "Treasure Island" to entertain his stepson, Lloyd. It seems likely to me that if Jim Hawkins is based upon Lloyd, Jim could be assumed to be Lloyd's age when the tale was begun: 12 years old. "Robert Louis Stevenson´s first novel 'Treasure Island' was started in August 1881 when he found a map drawn by his 12-year-old stepson, Lloyd Osbourne, just to Lloyd´s amusement. During late August and September 15 chapters were written at the rate of each day, the remainder of the text completed at Davos later in 1881. It was published in 1883. The time span is about four weeks but the time is compressed because everything is happening so fast." http://www.loesungsbuch.de/p/referate/02/932.htm |
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Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
From: grandrascal-ga on 09 Oct 2003 15:16 PDT |
Wow, PinkFreud -- thanks for so much information! Too bad you're not a Reasearcher, you'd have been paid! :/ |
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Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
From: justaskscott-ga on 09 Oct 2003 15:19 PDT |
Pinkfreud is a Researcher -- one of the best, as you can see! I will let her know that you approve of her comment, so that she can post an answer and be paid. |
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Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
From: pinkfreud-ga on 09 Oct 2003 15:20 PDT |
Grandrascal, I am a Researcher. I posted the above material as a comment because your question asked for Jim Hawkins' exact age, and I was not able to provide that. At your request, I would be delighted to repost my comment as the answer to your question. Best wishes, pinkfreud |
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Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
From: grandrascal-ga on 09 Oct 2003 22:35 PDT |
> I am a Researcher. I posted the above material as a comment > because your question asked for Jim Hawkins' exact age, and > I was not able to provide that. At your request, I would be > delighted to repost my comment as the answer to your question. Oh, my... [ Scratching my head in uncertainty. ] Well, on the one hand (1) I was (and am) perfectly willing to pay you $5.00, as the amount posted clearly shows; and yet On the other hand (2) you were clearly willing to furnish your information free of charge, since you posted as a Comment rather than as an Answer, explicitly confessing that your inability to furnish specific information does not (in your judgement) make it worth the $5.00 I offered. That is a gesture of rare honesty, integrity, and honor, which I highly respect and greatly admire!!! So here's a pretty kettle of fish! Do I invite you to claim the $5.00 or not!? On the one hand I was willing to pay for it (and you certainly did enough work for it!); but on the other hand you yourself seem to admit that the information isn't adequate! [ Scratching my head in uncertainty. ] Ahhhhh... Post it as an Answer, and claim the $5.00! Honesty such as yours should be rewarded and encouraged, and that fact ALONE makes it worth the $5.00, even if the information itself is not. Thank you for your efforts, and even more fore your honesty! :) |
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Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
From: pinkfreud-ga on 11 Oct 2003 14:26 PDT |
Please excuse the typo in my answer: "best-lnown" should, of course, be "best-known". This is what happens when the speed of the fingers exceeds the speed of the brain. ;-) ~Pink |
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Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
From: grandrascal-ga on 11 Oct 2003 22:35 PDT |
:> Please excuse the typo in my answer: "best-lnown" should, > of course, be "best-known". This is what happens when the > speed of the fingers exceeds the speed of the brain. ;-) LOL!!! We think much alike, you and I. I noticed it (yes, I did!) and winced -- like you, I was pained to see that typo in the middle of an otherwise well-spelled piece. :( I'm not at all surprised that you commented to correct it -- just what I would've done myself! :) |
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Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
From: pinkfreud-ga on 12 Oct 2003 10:19 PDT |
Many thanks for the five-star rating and the tip! ~pinkfreud |
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Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
From: grandrascal-ga on 13 Oct 2003 04:57 PDT |
pinkfreud-ga wrote: :> Many thanks for the five-star rating and the tip! Yer Welkum. :) :) :) |
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Re: Simple (?) "Treasure Island" Question...
From: filian-ga on 13 Oct 2003 23:05 PDT |
How interesting! Treasure Island is one of my favourite novels:) |
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