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Plural Apostrophe usage - please clarify when it's appropriate
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: pcventures-ga List Price: $4.00 |
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09 Oct 2003 10:01 PDT
Expires: 08 Nov 2003 09:01 PST Question ID: 264619 |
Maybe I'm paying more attention to it than I normall would, but I've seen apostrophes included just about everywhere these days. Examples, "1/2 price on all photo's." "PC's on sale this week." "Apple's sold by the bushel here." I received an excellent education at my local school system, and I believe I learned all of the finer points of punctuation. My understanding is that the apostrophe is NEVER appropriate to indicate a plurality. What's correct in this case? |
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Re: Plural Apostrophe usage - please clarify when it's appropriate
Answered By: jem-ga on 09 Oct 2003 11:00 PDT Rated: |
Hi pcventures-ga :) Generally speaking, apostrophes are not used to indicate plurality - they are used to indicate the possessive form of most singular nouns. For example, "PC's on sale this week" should be noted as "PCs on sale this week" and "Apple's sold by the bushel here" should be noted as "Apples sold by the bushel here" whereas if someone asked you who answered Question ID: 264619, you'd be likely to comment, "Oh, that's jem-ga's answer" (well, in fact, you'd probably say "Hey, that's my answer!" but I think you get the point!):) See http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/possessives.htm and http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/plurals.htm for further reference on this. There are, however, exceptions to the rule above (i.e. in relation to plurality) and this is strictly in relation to either plural nouns that end in the letter "s" or certain plural nouns that need to be made possessive by adding "'s". See The Armchair Punctuator at: http://community-2.webtv.net/solis-boo/Grammar2/page12.html for specific examples such as "boys' club" and "women's fashions". The entry on the use of apostrophes at Info Please's website found at: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001610.html provides a short and convenient outline and you should also have a look at About.com's excellent reference re: apostrophes ("Plurals, Possessives and Contractions") found at: http://teenwriting.about.com/library/weekly/aa081202a.htm Kind regards jem-ga :) |
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Re: Plural Apostrophe usage - please clarify when it's appropriate
From: nautico-ga on 09 Oct 2003 11:18 PDT |
I live in St. Johns County (St. Augustine, FL). Many years ago the county commission deleted the apostrophe in "John's" in keeping with the USGS policy of disregarding them in all place names. If any punctuation mark is destined for the grammatical dustbin, it's surely the apostrophe. |
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Re: Plural Apostrophe usage - please clarify when it's appropriate
From: snsh-ga on 09 Oct 2003 15:54 PDT |
It depends on your audience. If your audience is english teachers, then you have to follow the "rules" (where english teachers decide what the rules are). On the other hand, if you're mass-marketing to the general population, you can use apostrophes liberally, because they increase readability. The point of writing is to get an idea across. If you have to invent some words or punctuation, go ahead and do it. Communicating with people is not like writing code on a computer -- you have to convey concepts, not meticulous instructions. One question I have about your apples quote: "Apple's sold by the bushel here" is whether that was for computers or fruits? If you were talking about fruits the apostrophe should definitely go. But if you were talking about computers, I would leave the apostrophe in, not just for legibility, but because "Apple" as a servicemark is not supposed to be used by itself or else it becomes generic and looses its trademark status (like "Thermos" should have been called "Thermos containers"). You're supposed to say "Apple computers" with Apple describing a type of computer. In that case, "Apple's" is more or less a contraction of "Apple computers" and the apostrophe should stay. And "Apple's" helps the "Apple" as a brandname stand out. |
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Re: Plural Apostrophe usage - please clarify when it's appropriate
From: pcventures-ga on 09 Oct 2003 18:10 PDT |
>On the other hand, if you're mass-marketing to >the general population, you can use apostrophes liberally, because >they increase readability. I consider this "pandering" and I wish to not partake in it. I asked this question because I'm in search of what's ultimately correct. Whatever is ultimately correct is what I wish to use in any writing I do. If someone corrects my grammar, diction or spelling, I welcome the opportunity to improve. In addition, your comment also didn't do a whole lot for me when you used, "looses" instead of "loses." |
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Re: Plural Apostrophe usage - please clarify when it's appropriate
From: jem-ga on 10 Oct 2003 07:09 PDT |
Hi pcventures-ga :) Many thanks for the positive rating and the tip. Kind regards jem-ga :) |
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Re: Plural Apostrophe usage - please clarify when it's appropriate
From: snsh-ga on 15 Oct 2003 11:48 PDT |
"Pandering" is not so sinister it deserves "quotes". Pandering is reaching out to an audience. Unless you're a schoolteacher or lawyer or such, your job is to use writing as a tool to get a point across, not to "enforce" american english rules. Where did the "rules" came from anyway? They're not gospel. They're bastardizations of latin. And please show respect. Don't pick on "looses" when you're typing words like "normall". Time spent proofing typos on internet postings is not time well spent. |
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Re: Plural Apostrophe usage - please clarify when it's appropriate
From: mattrub-ga on 27 Feb 2005 22:12 PST |
I know this is an old thread now, but hey -- it's still here. In my view, if pcventures-ga is still out there, he/she should pretty much stick with his/her grammatical education and ignore advice like "you can use apostrophes liberally, because they increase readability". Using apostrophes in ways not sanctioned by the rules of grammar make you look illiterate, not just to schoolteachers but to everyone who knows what the rules are. Sure, the rules are arbitrary, and some of them are based on Latin (though not this one), but they're still rules. You won't go to jail for breaking them, but you'll look like a cowboy outfit; people write letters to the newspapers ridiculing you, and so on. Maybe that's unfair, but that's how it is. In some very rare cases it may be appropriate to use an apostrophe-S construction to mark a plural; some people do it after single letters or numbers (as in, "mind your P's and Q's") though I'd avoid it unless there's a real risk of ambiguity or illegibility otherwise. Most of the time adding inappropriate apostrophes doesn't increase readability; quite the opposite. In Standard English there are separate ways to mark plurality and possession, and it's useful to keep them separate. The "Apple's" example suggested by snsh-ga is extremely creative but I'd expect snsh-ga is pretty much on his/her own there. Although trademark-holders don't like us to use their trademarks as nouns, they don't make the rules either, and real humans don't use "Apple's" as a contraction of "Apple(tm)-brand personal computers" -- they use it like they use any other noun, and add an -s to pluralise it. Brand names don't need apostrophes to stand out; they've got initial capitals for that. |
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