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Author of "atheist" quote
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: apteryx-ga List Price: $6.66 |
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10 Oct 2003 21:20 PDT
Expires: 09 Nov 2003 20:20 PST Question ID: 265120 |
Stephen Roberts is credited as the author of this quotation: "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Who is he, and what is the source of this heavily quoted line? I have found this much-- Type: Businessman Date of Birth: 4/13/1915 Year of Birth: 1915 Find on Amazon: Stephen Roberts but was unable to "find on Amazon." I did get one G****e hit that added a middle initial K. Thank you, Apteryx |
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Re: Author of "atheist" quote
Answered By: juggler-ga on 10 Oct 2003 22:15 PDT Rated: |
Hello Apteryx, How are you? It seems that Stephen Roberts is an internet user whose quote has been spread far and wide. Mr. Roberts has a web site at: http://wildlink.com/freelink/index.php He explains the history of his quote at: http://wildlink.com/freelink/quote_history.htm If you'd like to know more about him, he has a resume posted at: http://wildlink.com/work/stephen_f_roberts_resume.pdf A search of the Google Groups archive verifies that Mr Roberts himself was using the quote as his signature in newsgroup posts in late 1995. See this post from November 1995: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl173555234d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=30b90396.7800064%40news.io.com search strategy: "one fewer god", "stephen roberts is" ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22one+fewer+god%22%2C+%22stephen+roberts+is%22&btnG=Google+Search I hope this helps. |
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Hi, juggler--I'm fine. Nice to hear from you, and thanks for taking my question. You found out exactly what I wanted to know and satisfied my curiosity (for the moment). Apteryx |
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Re: Author of "atheist" quote
From: pinkfreud-ga on 10 Oct 2003 23:16 PDT |
This wildly popular quote really doesn't make much sense, if you think about it. It is like an unmarried man extolling the superiority of his marital status by saying, to a married man, "I contend that we are both bachelors. I have just married one fewer wife than you have. When you understand why you aren't a polygamist, you will understand why I choose to be single." As a former atheist, I've seen many defenses of atheism which were more logical, more elegant, and not so snotty-sounding. ;-) |
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Re: Author of "atheist" quote
From: filian-ga on 11 Oct 2003 08:11 PDT |
You're right, Pink, it doesn't make any sense at all! I guess it just sounds like it does so people nod and say, "Uh, yeah, I'll use that!" But so few people pick it apart to see if it has actual value. Interesting how the religious are called "sheep" yet so many have picked up on a quote that none have thought to analyze! :) Filian |
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Re: Author of "atheist" quote
From: apteryx-ga on 11 Oct 2003 11:06 PDT |
That response that, upon reflection, says, "Huh? What did this really say?" is part of what interests me about this quote. Here's another one like that (quotation approximate, from memory): "I learned that if I ever go looking for my heart's desire again, I won't look any further than my own back yard. Because if it isn't there, I never really lost it in the first place. --And Oh, Auntie Em! There's NO place like home!" [Cue orchestra.] What I think appeals to so many about this line about atheism is that it seems to turn the religious person's case back upon himself: you are a nonbeliever with respect to these other gods; I am a nonbeliever with respect to them and to yours too. For a moment there, it sounds like a great argument. But it requires redefining atheism as nonbelief in specific deities rather than in *any* deity, transforming it from an absolute to a relative position in a way that undercuts the essential meaning of atheism; that's why it doesn't stand up. (By the way, I am positively not engaging in or inviting debate on the matter of divine existence or nonexistence. I'm not even taking sides here. I just wondered about the story behind this quote, erroneously thinking that it probably came from a longer work. I wanted to see it in context.) I have a friend who is a career atheist. Born Jewish ("I'm an atheist," he says, "but I'm a *Jewish* atheist."), he refers to atheism as his religion. He says this: "When you have an atheist, you have a lost true believer." He contends that atheists believe their religious truth with every bit as much conviction as any religious person; in other words, atheists are not nonbelievers--they simply believe in not-God as much as the faithful believe in God. This turns the thinking the other way. Purely from the standpoint of logic, I consider it a more successful formulation. Thanks for all your comments. Apteryx |
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Re: Author of "atheist" quote
From: trueparent-ga on 11 Oct 2003 15:25 PDT |
The agnostic is the only completely honest/sensible person around, (scientifically speaking), since no one can absolutely "prove" or "disprove" the existence of God, (except to themselves). The "I don't know for sure" stance of the agnostic even allows them to be extremely moral, which accounts for the "conscientious" persons throughout history, who have managed to do "God's Will", without "religion", simply because their conscience, (which is ruled by the amount of truth we know), led them to do so. The Most Reverend Sun Myung Moon once said something, on this subject, that struck me. He said that anyone who really looks at a flower, should not be capable of denying the existence of God. At another time, concerning why in the world God created venomous snakes, He said that it was because God wants us to really appreciate "Mother Nature", and the fact that we have to keep an eye out for these snakes, means that we end up seeing more of the beauty of nature around us. Sounds like proof of the existence of God, to me.... :-) God does have a sense of humor, after all. Love To All, trueparent-GA |
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