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Subject: Genaelogy
Category: Family and Home
Asked by: maccas-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 12 Oct 2003 13:30 PDT
Expires: 11 Nov 2003 12:30 PST
Question ID: 265508
Admiral NICHOLAS MACCAS (GREEK-HELLENE) was the son of Marigo (Maria)
RALLI, daughter of Nicholas Pandia RALLI and Marigo MAVROGORDATO.
N.MACCAS was a hero during the 1912 BALKAN wars.

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 12 Oct 2003 13:34 PDT
Dear maccas,

What exactly is your question?

Regards,
Scriptor

Clarification of Question by maccas-ga on 12 Oct 2003 13:59 PDT
Dear Scriptor,
I am searching the origins,(Genealogy), of my grand father. I believe
he was from CHIOS and ATHENS Greece. His father was CONSTANTINE MACCAS
and his mother
MARIA RALLI.

Request for Question Clarification by leli-ga on 12 Oct 2003 15:18 PDT
Hello Maccas

I've found a website which has information on some of Nicholas Pandia
Ralli's ancestors, including his Ralli grandfather, back to the early
1700s.

It has been collected by one man who says he has used many personal
family records as well as official records. He is interested in Chios
and describes Nicholas Pandia Ralli as his third cousin, four times
removed. There is an email address on the website.

If this would interest you, please let me know and I will be happy to
write up the details.

Thanks - Leli

Clarification of Question by maccas-ga on 12 Oct 2003 16:04 PDT
Dear Leli,
Thank you for your search. Yes, I would indeed be interested to
contact my distant relative. I hope to find information on the MACCAS
and MAVROCORDATOS famillies, as for the RALLI I have already some
info. from Prince M.D.STURDZA.
but it would still be very helpful to find more information.
Thanking you in advance,
ALEXANDER MACCAS.
Answer  
Subject: Re: Genaelogy
Answered By: leli-ga on 13 Oct 2003 02:07 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Thanks for getting back to me. First I want to apologise if I seemed
less than polite calling you Maccas rather than Mr. Maccas. We
researchers are so used to calling people by their Google Answers
names, like maccas-ga, that I didn't stop to think about how it's your
real-life last name.

An English journalist, Christopher Long, who is descended from the
Vlasto family, has published extensive research on the ancient Chios
families on his website. He has used Sturdza's book as one, but by no
means his only, source. For me, it was all very interesting and I hope
some of it will be new and useful for you.

I'm sure you'll want to explore the site for yourself, but let me pick
out some pages which might interest you.

Nicolas Pandia Ralli (abbreviated below as NPR)
This page says he had two daughters with rather similar names: Marigo
and Mariora. Apparently it was Mariora who married Constantine Maccas:
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/relations/fg03_307.html

Pandia (Ambrouzis) Ralli, NPR's father:
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/relations/fg03_312.html

Ambrouzis (Stephanos) Ralli, NPR's paternal grandfather, whose mother
was a Mavrogordato:
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/relations/fg03_231.html

One of NPR's great-grandfathers had connections to other Chios
families descended from Byzantine nobles, through his Rodocanachi
mother and Vlasto wife:
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/relations/fg02_401.html

Long appears to have seen records relating to Mariora Ralli at a
church on Syros:
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/relations/fg02_280.html

The surname index will lead to many members of both Mavrogordato and
Ralli families, but Constantine is the only Maccas, I'm afraid:
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/relations/sur.html

Long's email contact is at the bottom of this introductory page:
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/relations/index.html

Long's list of people from Chios who died in exile shows how the
Vlastos have intermarried several times with the Mavrogordatos as well
as the Rallis:
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/per.chiosdiaspora.html

The same page mentions " 'The Mavrogordatico' – once the Kampos home
of the Mavrogordato family."

It looks as if there may be more information to come on the Ralli
family. On this page, where Long mentions the Rallis as among the
Byzantine nobles seeking refuge on Chios in the Middle Ages, there is
a clickable link to a page still under construction:
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/per.chioshouses.html

It seems Rhaoules is an earlier version of the name. Long includes a
reference to their coat of arms:
"Rhaoules (Ralli) – Azure, a leopard rampant or."
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/per.vlasto.byzantium.html

Some of his sources might interest you. One describes how:
"During the C19th great trading and banking institutions such as Ralli
Brothers emerged . . "
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/christo.biblio.html


Your question led to some fascinating historical material. I hope
there is enough new genealogical information to be helpful as you
explore your family tree. As you have no doubt found, there is very
little information on the net about anyone with the Maccas/Makkas
surname.

You could try posting a message in a Greek genealogy forum:
http://www.greekfamilies.com/

There are some Chios addresses for people called Makkas in the online
phone book for Greece. The area code for Chios is 271:
http://www.grecian.net/greekphones/

Please let me know if you need help with any of the links above, or if
anything is unclear, and I'll do my best to help.

Good luck with your genealogical research.

Best Wishes - Leli


Search strategy

Maccas OR Makkas genealogy
Ralli genealogy
Mavrogordato genealogy
"Constantine OR Constantinos Maccas OR Makkas"
Makkas [in the Greek alphabet]
Greek genealogy
://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=greek+genealogy&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Greek phone book
maccas-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $10.00
Leli's work was very helpful, efficient and rapid. If ever you have
more informations please do contact me. My most sincere thanks to Leli
and her associates.
ALEXANDER MACCAS

Comments  
Subject: Re: Genaelogy
From: leli-ga on 13 Oct 2003 05:52 PDT
 
Thank-you very much for the tip and the kind comments.

Leli

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