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Subject:
Startups - % stock offered for key member (software developer)
Category: Business and Money > Small Businesses Asked by: kirkhilles-ga List Price: $7.00 |
Posted:
14 Oct 2003 08:07 PDT
Expires: 13 Nov 2003 07:07 PST Question ID: 266095 |
Background ---------- I've been working with a "startup" company (one guy) and have developed software that has taken us well over a year. I practically killed myself doing it as we would literally spend 20 hour days working and even featured a couple of 36 hour days without sleep. Our agreement is that there'd be NO money while in development (its made for a tough time surviving) but that he'd "take care of me" once things got going financially. Obviously, I would have liked to have a definite agreement/contract with specific amounts/percentages but I trust this guy. Some important notes are: 1) The software is based on a theory that he'd spent the past 30 years working on 2) He is well connected and will be responsible for all sales 3) The software is based on the theory, but he needs the software to make the sale. It is the key element. My question is this: If a startup company had a similar arrangement, but would offer stock shares (remember, I've gotten NO money at all for work performed, over a years' solid worth of work) what % would they typically offer? |
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Re: Startups - % stock offered for key member (software developer)
From: vballguy-ga on 14 Oct 2003 10:41 PDT |
First off, you absolutely MUST come to an agreement before your partner manages to land funding for the startup, sell the idea ect. The second point is that even if you own a percentage of the company, you might not see a single dime for a long time. You need to talk to a lawyer and get a contract written up. Hypothetically, if your partner gives you 25% of the company, he could give himself a salary of 200k a year as chairman and sales rep and without a long court battle, he could take almost all of the income before any went to shareholders... In my mind, the only reason to not come to terms when two people are not equal, is that the majority holder is waiting till they don't really need the minority person and then they can negotiate from a position of power. One piece of information that might help you is that unless you have specifically signed a document that you are doing "work for hire", that you are considered an independant contractor and own the code. I am not a lawyer nor offering legal advice but here are some links that discuss it: "By law, independent contractors retain the copyright of any works they produce no matter who pays for them, unless they sign contracts assigning those rights to others. " http://www.realrates.com/contract.htm A central proposition of U.S. copyright law is that the author of a work is also the owner of the copyright in that work. The principal exception to this are "works made for hire". http://www.ott.arizona.edu/issues.htm |
Subject:
Re: Startups - % stock offered for key member (software developer)
From: ipfan-ga on 15 Oct 2003 15:22 PDT |
I agree with vballguy-ga that you MUST get something in writing immediately. Given that this is a one-person start-up and given the amount of work you have done and the value of the code to the endeavor, I think at least a 30% ownership interest is appropriate. You need to determine in advance how that ownership interest will be manifest: stock in an S-corporation? A C-corporation? A membership interest in an LLC? A partnership interest? Each of these has widely varying legal rights and tax implications, especially because in any scenario where you own less that 50 percent you will be a "minority interest," and you can and likely will be treated as a financial second-class citizen by the majority owner(s). If the other party balks at that, I think you can remind him that indeed, as vballguy-ga says, you own the copyright to the code. As long as you have not signed anything "assigning" (giving) to him the rights to the code, you own the copyright. The general rules for copyright ownership are that the copyright is owned by the author (that's you) unless (a) you assign the copyright to someone else in writing; or (b) it is a work made for hire because you are an employee and you created the work in the course and scope of your employment; or (c) you are not an employee but it is still a work made for hire AND you have a written contract stipulating that it is a work made for hire. A work made for hire in this context is defined as "a work specially ordered or commissioned for use as a contribution to a collective work, as a part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, as a translation, as a supplementary work, as a compilation, as an instructional text, as a test, as answer material for a test, or as an atlas." See 17 U.S.C. Section 101 (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/17/chapters/1/sections/section_101.html). Your code does not sound like it falls into any of those categories, plus in any event it sounds like nothing is in writing. See also http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ9.html. You could even go out and lawfully register your copyright in the code as the author, if you wished. See http://www.copyright.gov/register/index.html. While this is not a prerequisite to your having ownership rights, it does serve to perfect and enhance your ability to enforce the copyright should that be required, e.g., if he rips you off and takes the code and starts to market it--you could sue him for copyright infringement if you had previously registered the copyright. |
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