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Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: wolvies-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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20 Oct 2003 02:49 PDT
Expires: 24 Oct 2003 03:38 PDT Question ID: 267847 |
I suppose the answer could be 'just because' but given that his father had a load, including four sons who lived to adulthood and at least two of his younger brothers had sons, why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV himself have none ? Or were there some still-born or died in infancy which simply do not get a mention on royal genealogical websites ? If not, did he have any bastards ? If none are known, is there a balance of opinion as to whether it was him or his wife who was infertile ? Or did they just not get it together often enough ? wolvies, lol |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: probonopublico-ga on 20 Oct 2003 03:29 PDT |
He was probably sterile. King Edward VIII of England is believed to have become sterile as a result of having had measles as a young adult. Apparently although rare, it can happen if the testicles become infected. Certainly, the ONLY Kingly Duty is to produce offspring. |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: fp-ga on 20 Oct 2003 04:49 PDT |
Friedrich Wilhelm IV may have had a son, but apparently this is not proven: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/lostsplendor/iii.html |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: fp-ga on 20 Oct 2003 04:57 PDT |
Friedrich Wilhelm IV as presumed father is also mentioned here: http://gsteinbe.intrasun.tcnj.edu/royalty/ahnenreihe/Yousoupov.html By the way, Felix Felixovich (1887-1967), mentioned on the same page, killed Rasputin. |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: wolvies-ga on 20 Oct 2003 06:01 PDT |
Thats very interesting. I was just looking into his wife (Elisabeth of Bavaria) and found that she was a twin - however, her twin sister Amelie had NINE children... I don't know what that's conclusive off, except we aren't looking at deficient Bavarian genes. It doesn't prove whether it was Friedrich Wilhelm or Elisabeth who was the problem... Thanks :) Grey Wolf |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: fp-ga on 20 Oct 2003 06:42 PDT |
Two pages on Elisabeth of Bavaria (sorry that they are in German): http://www.marlesreuth.de/personen_e.html#Elisabeth%20Ludovika%20von%20Bayern http://www.stadt-bad-kreuznach.de/politik-verwaltung/verwaltung/110-fb/frauenkalender2002/11november.htm Perhaps a ga-researcher will translate some parts when answering your question. |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: bergerking-ga on 20 Oct 2003 16:54 PDT |
FMIV was widely considered mad, although madmen produce children. His ancestor, Frederick William I was probably psychotic. Another Hohenzollern, Frederick the Great did not have children either. Some historians believe he may have been homosexual. Why didn't FM IV have children? Perhaps he was impotent; perhaps his queen was barren; perhaps he had a low sperm count; perhaps he was gay, although I doubt that. Who knows? |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: wolvies-ga on 21 Oct 2003 02:24 PDT |
I see it mentions childless except that the translation goes bananas "Die Liebesehe bleibt kinderlos, eine Erklärung dafür könnte die in den Jugendjahren des Thronfolgers von Hufeland attestierte Impotenz sein." turns into "The dear marriage remains childless, an explanation for it could in the youth years of the successor to the throne the Impotenz certified by hoof country be. " Sadly I can't imagine what 'Impotence certified by hoof country be' might mean ! Grey Wolf |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: wolvies-ga on 21 Oct 2003 02:35 PDT |
Using AltaVista to translate http://www.stadt-bad-kreuznach.de/politik-verwaltung/verwaltung/110-fb/frauenkalender2002/11november.htm albeit in a rather mangled form, I get the impression that Friedrich Wilhelm was frequently ill, and that what did for him in 1857-8 was not a one-off occurrence but just the latest and most severe of these happenings ? Is that a fair understanding ? Thanks Grey Wolf |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: fp-ga on 21 Oct 2003 04:47 PDT |
"hoof country" http://www.badlangensalza.de/stadt/htm/net/htdocs/geschichte/hufeland.html was personal physician (Leibarzt) to Friedrich Wilhelm III since 1801. "Wilhelm was frequently ill, and that what did for him in 1857-8 was not a one-off occurrence but just the latest and most severe of these happenings ? Is that a fair understanding ?" Yes, this is a fair understanding. However, according to other websites it was only in 1857 that he became ill. |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: myrrha-ga on 21 Oct 2003 04:58 PDT |
"Or did they just not get it together often enough ?" To cope a little bit with royal privat affairs: In the first, very small and intimate 'residence' of the crown prince Friedrich Wilhelm (IV) an his wife Elisabeth in Charlottenhof/Potsdam (builded 1826-29), both had no seperate sleeping-rooms. Just one room with one double bed (no twin bed!). Very unusual in these days. Seems to be an evidence for the special relationship of this couple, I guess. |
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Re: Why did Friedrich Wilhelm IV have no children ?
From: wolvies-ga on 21 Oct 2003 06:10 PDT |
True, having read more of the background of the marriage it is clear that it was a love-match not a marriage of state etc. They were from different religions and faced great opposition from both sets of parents, before finally getting approval for the marriage - which ceremony was held twice in order to cater to both Protestants and Catholics. Hence, I find it unlikely that they did not try for a child - especially as the translation of one of the sites says Elisabeth was most upset at not having any. Thus it may lie in her, but quite probably lies in him - despite the possible bastard (see the Yusopov link) Grey Wolf |
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